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The Satanic Temple is taking on the Christian right. It may be effective – it’s definitely fun to watch
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Wanna give me the TLDW? Cuz that’s too long and I didn’t watch it.
If you jump around the video Lucien Greaves' real name is Doug Misicko
List of problems surrounding TST in the video:
Anti-Semitism: around 13:00 Ties to the far-right: 17:14 Views on Eugenics: 20:08
I'll add more later. I don't exactly have the video memorized
There are some people you don't want to associate with, even when you have common cause.
Hezbollah is opposed to the genocide in Gaza (and the murder of Palestinians in the West Bank), as is Iran. I'm opposed to the genocide in Gaza. I'm sure as fuck not gonna ally myself with Hezbollah or the Ayatollah Khamenei, even on that one issue.
I'm not saying that TST is a bunch of terrorists, but I'm using hyperbole to make a point. It's up to you if you want to associate with a group that has some very, very shady upper leadership. Personally, I loved 95% of the people at a local level when I was a member; I think there are a lot of great people involved. I just think that national leadership is entirely untrustworthy and fucks up things that should be simple and easy.
AFAICT, Mesner, not Misicko. Look at the legal filings, where they're incorporating TST-related entities, etc.; Doug and Cevin have to use their real, legal names on those documents.
The antisemitism you can kind of handwave, because it's hard to disentangle being opposed to Judaism as a religion, versus Jewish people. Mesner has been a little wishy-washy on that, but the most charitable way of reading it is that he's opposed to the religion, in the same way that he's opposed to Christianity, Islam, etc. It's just messier with Judaism because Jewish is both religion and ethnicity/cultural. (This, BTW, is the same way that people opposed to Israel's actions in Gaza and Lebanon get tarred as being antisemitic.)
Ties to the far right are probably valid.
Views on eugenics is... Complicated. Eugenics is, by itself, not really bad. Ashkanzi Jews have practiced eugenics to almsot entirely eliminate Tay-Sachs Syndrome in their communities, because marriages are arranged, and all couples go through genetic testing before being allowed to marry. You could do the same thing with sickle-cell anemia; test everyone before they get married, and couples that both have copies of the gene don't get married. OTOH, in both of those cases you're talking about specific, known genetic disease; most people that are in favor of eugenics aren't talking about eradicating genetic diseases, but are talking about very nebulous concepts of 'purity' or some such. E.g., blond hair/blue eyes ubermensch nonsense.
An immediate problem is that the org itself is deeply authoritarian, and numerous people that helped the org grow have been thrown out (or left) because they don't want a top-down leadership structure. Doug and Cevin--mostly Cevin--have total legal authority over the organization, and there's no mechanism in place to censure or remove them if they do things the membership disapproves of, or engage in misconduct.