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[–] Wrench@lemmy.world -3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Your reading comprehension is fucking atrocious, then. Even when Biden was the candidate, the vast majority has been saying "ok, continuing to support Isreal as they commit war atrocities is bad, but Trump would be much worse" for Gaza, and a ton of other things. Like democracy in America, for starters"

There are no lines to read between. It's the bold text that we accept that a vote for Dems is a vote for genocide. But given no other plausible alternative, and the enormous risk to a plethora of other issues that Trump represents, voting for less genocide is the best option on the table.

But you are well aware this. You're just arguing under false pretext to strawman your way to voter disenfranchisement.

See, we can actually read between lines here.

[–] sandbox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Okay, cool. Go ahead and state the case, then, if it’s such an obvious fact. Go ahead and say “I will be voting for a genocidal candidate this election, because that is what my country’s political system forced me to do.”

I will be truly impressed if you actually do it.

Most people find some excuse not to. That’s the problem we have.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Jfc.

It’s the bold text that we accept that a vote for Dems is a vote for genocide. But given no other plausible alternative, and the enormous risk to a plethora of other issues that Trump represents, voting for less genocide is the best option on the table.

I literally bolded it for you this time.

Or if you want me to put in in terms of self:

I support a candidate that supports genocide because they support less genocide than the only other plausible option. Both in Gaza and in Ukraine. And less blatant corruption. And less erosion of rights. And less lynching of minorities. And less open encouragement of domestic terrorism.

There, you got your soundbite. Take the bolded portion and pass it around to your comrads out of context for all I care.

[–] sandbox@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Good for you, I am impressed! Now help us convince all the other democrat voters to do the same and we might actually be able to fix this.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Keep on attacking that imaginary strawman. Lemmy .world connected communities as a whole accept the very obvious reality of what the stakes are. In every political thread, this is spelled out over and over because of you "leftists" trying to disenfranchise Dem voters exclusively.

There are plenty of memes caricaturizing you clowns.

https://lemmy.world/post/21329323

[–] sandbox@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago

“strawman”

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago

They won't say it, because this is not the argument they want to have. They are much more comfortable talking about how their candidate is so smart and competent when the fact is their candidate is also a bloodthirsty monster. If they really accept that fact, they can't go back to pretending they're voting for "a very serious adult".

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

A vote isnt an endorsement. Viewing it as one is a permanent commitment non-voting because even if like Bernie Sanders was being elected people would just say his support of Joe Biden eliminates him from ever being a moral vote.

I would instead say its better to view a vote as strategic tool: its better to deny your enemies a win than let them have one for free. For the Gaza Genocide, I think we can all agree the villain here is Netanyahu and his preference is Trump. A vote for Kamala here may not solve anything, but it does deny Netanyahu additional support he might get.