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I only just learned today that, when someone from one instance gets banned from another instance, that person not only is no longer able to interact with the second instance, but people from the second instance actually can't see anything the person said from the moment they got banned even though they're still there. I'm disappointed to learn all my friends who got banned from my instance are still saying stuff and nobody told me, making it more akin to an instance forcing everyone to block them (because individuals blocking each other the same way work like this). And this is coming from the person who has fantasized about universalization of federation.

What's something about the fediverse that was most recently unobscured but that you know now?

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[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 42 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

That's the entire point of bans.

You don't want to have to manually block all the spammers and shit posters a decent instance is taking care of for you.

[–] moonlight@fedia.io 6 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

I think it would be better if bans only applied to posting on an instance, and each instance/community would self moderate. If I go to a post, I want to see the whole discussion, and not have certain people hidden from me by my home instance. Let the instance hosting the community filter out spam.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

you seem to be annoyed that a remote community can police itself.

your local instance is using some other servers content, of course its going to adhere to the moderation of that remote instance (federated moderation).

if you dont like the moderation of a remote community its your duty to make a new one somewhere else. this happens regularly when lemmy.world or .ml mods go overboard into fedora territory. if users agree, they will follow

[–] moonlight@fedia.io 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying it would be best if content on remote instances wasn’t censored when viewed on a local instance, even if that user was banned locally.

I think this problem is hard to get around though with how all content has to be hosted locally.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

ha, that content is remote content, even if its cached locally.

[–] moonlight@fedia.io 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes? I don’t understand what you’re saying.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

youre upset that a remote instance can police its own content. but youre confused why your local copy of their data gets modded.. you just dont like the fact that a community can police itself and that that moderation flows to remote copies of their community.

if you really want to circumvent this, you would spin up your own instance and prevent federated moderation. but you have to admit that youre ignoring the wishes of that remote community to moderate their content.

e. now that i think about it, if you get banned at the instance level, well, youre SOL. because they are rejecting you/your addition to their content.

[–] moonlight@fedia.io -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Please re read the original post and my comments. That’s not what I am saying.

I’m saying that ideally moderation SHOULD be handled by the remote instance that hosts the community, and that the local instance should faithfully reflect it without censoring it.

[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you're on an instance with strong moderation and that is not what you want, maybe you should consider opening an account on a more free-wheeling instance. Picking a different instance solves your problem without affecting others' current experiences.

I picked an instance based on their moderation policy. I want their level of moderation. I want them to block porn and the bigoted BS that some other instances allow. It would be a terrible downgrade in experience if I was at the whim of every other instances' moderation approach instead of by the instance I selected.

[–] moonlight@fedia.io 1 points 2 weeks ago

I’m quite happy with my instance and I haven’t experienced this myself (that I know of). I just personally would rather encounter something I don’t like than to only be able to see half a conversation.

I guess you’re right that having instance options makes this a non issue though, as we can both have what we want.

I just think a lot of people join instances like world or ml without really understanding this, which is unfortunate.

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