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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I know. I mean I’m not a huge fan of Harris’ Gaza stance. Honestly I’m not sure why it’s political at all to call what Israel is doing wrong. But come on, Trump will be 100 times worse. And that’s just on the Israel/Gaza thing. I’m not sure how you can look at these two and decide that Harris is wrong enough about the Gaza thing that you come to the conclusion that either a third party or Trump vote is warranted. Which makes me believe is not genuine and likely foreign agent spreading chaos and misinformation.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It's because there is a large, internally-polled segment of the Pennsylvania electorate who are Jewish and sympathetic to Israel.

Harris can't afford to not court them.

I have no doubt she vehemently dislikes Bibi and would wish to cut aid.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Not only that, but AIPAC is a serious force that has demonstrated their willingness to aggressively smear every candidate who speaks out against Israel; they've already done this for a number of races.

Harris is basically trapped here. The best thing she can do is stay vague until after the election, when she might actually have the power to do something about it. No one on Palestine's side has anything to gain from her losing votes over it.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah this is basically my thoughts as well. Stuck between Iraq and a hard place (I had to do the Hot Shots joke here... too fitting).

But seriously, AIPAC has way too much power in American politics. And your comment about Palestine is spot on. She is walking a very thin line, but this is the nature of politics and nuance. That orange fucker has no clue about any of this.

[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This is the correct reason and the reason why the genocide will continue no matter who is elected.

Aipac has bought enough of american politicians that it has rendered votes worthless.

People should vote on matters other than this for with any outcome US sponsored genocide is inevitable.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s because there is a large, internally-polled segment of the Pennsylvania electorate who are Jewish and sympathetic to Israel.

Harris can’t afford to not court them.

I have no doubt she vehemently dislikes Bibi and would wish to cut aid.

I hope you are right. But, without evidence (if there is any, please share it), this might be wishful thinking. You might just be a more moral person than Harris. I might be being extremely unfair, but it doesn't seem impossible for an elected official to be willing to sacrifice the lives of innocent people in a country without American voters to gain power.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I think there have been some "leaked" info to reputable journalists how both Biden and Harris pretty much despise Bibi at this point. I think if you look at it in the aggregate in how they pushed for the ceasefire (as opposed to Trump speaking with Bibi to actively undermine it), in her comments after meeting with Bibi shortly after becoming the presumed nominee following Biden stepping down — there is a clear tonal change from, say, 6-months-ago even. So yeah, I think her hands are pretty well tied.

Either way, the reality any sane person can understand is that there are much better odds we see movement from Harris than we do from Trump.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago

Either way, the reality any sane person can understand is that there are much better odds we see movement from Harris than we do from Trump.

I completely agree with that. I admit to being impatient for change now, because innocent people are dying now. It is sad that elections (and electorates) get in the way of such important moral principles.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And everyone conveniently forgets that Biden did try to stop aid to Israel earlier this year. Congress blocked it. Is he trying hard enough? No probably not (I don't claim to be an expert in middle east geopolitics, it is possible that the situation is an even more thoroughly fucked Gordian knot than it appears), but he did try. And the alternative this November thinks what he is trying is "too tough" on Bibi.

[–] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Did he try? Biden could have cited the Leahy laws any time he wanted, and proclaimed that he beleived genocide was occurring. He did not do that. So I dont beleive he was trying. I think he was pretending.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Do you understand how that works? There are exceptions specifically carved out for Israel, which require Blinken to initiate that process.

[–] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you understand that Blinken is a member of the presidents cabinet and the president can fire anyone in his cabinet if they go rogue from his wishes?

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Okay, then what? Israel gets weapons from their other allies and we lose any leverage we do have. It's almost as if this is a complex geopolitical issue, in fact so complex that "bringing peace to the West Bank" is a well established meme for an impossibly difficult task, and simple solutions have consequences not obvious to the layperson.