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Could someone smarter than me explain Matrix to me? In particular,
Matrix is more like discord, no phone numbers, just email, and you can make big groups with different channels within. More meant for communities then something like Signal, that's mostly for 1:1 conversation or small groups
It's mostly good already, but as with many other privacy focused services it lacks a wide adoption, so most of the communities there are about privacy, Linux and that type of stuff.
The most used client, Element, is IMO very easy to use, you can directly register through there, and you get the choice of choosing between the official matrix.org instance (which on certain occasions is laggy due to the many people using it), or other instances
I wouldn't assume that I'm smarter, but I do have more than a little experience here, so I'll try to answer your questions. :)
It's a real-time messaging platform. The most common use for it is text chat, both in groups (like Discord or IRC) and person-to-person (like mobile phone text/SMS). It supports other uses as well, like voice chat, video conference, and screen sharing, although much of that is newer and gradually showing up in clients.
Compared to Signal:
Compared to email:
We already covered Signal, and there are too many other services to compare every difference in all of them, but here are some more common advantages:
Until recently: Ever since cross-signing and encryption-by-default arrived a couple years ago, it has been somewhere between "still rough" and "pretty good", depending on one's needs and habits. I have been using it with friends and small groups for about five years, and although encrypted chats have sometimes been temperamental, they have worked pretty well most of the time. When frustrating glitches have turned up, we sorted them out and continued to use it. This has been worthwhile because Matrix offers a combination of features that is important to us and doesn't exist anywhere else. I haven't recommended it to extended family members yet, because not everyone cares as much about privacy or has the patience for troubleshooting in order to get it. However...
Recently: The frequency of glitches has dropped dramatically. Most of the encryption errors have disappeared, and the remaining ones look likely to be solved by the "Invisible Encryption" measures in Matrix 2.0. Likewise with things like sign-in lag and client set-up.
If you're considering whether it's time to try it, I suggest waiting until Matrix 2.0 features are formally released in the clients and servers you want to use, which should be very soon for the official ones. I wouldn't be surprised if I could confidently recommend it to family members in the coming year.
If you just want to chat, not very. Even one or two of my friends who can barely use email got up and running pretty quickly with a little guidance. Someone who can get started using Lemmy by themselves can probably handle it on their own.
If you want to host your own server, moderately tech savvy.
I've used Matrix since the app was called Riot.im and there was no encryption
I didn't realize once encryption was added, that there were still metadata leaks as compared to Signal
Could you give me some information on what metadata is unencrypted, or point me towards documentation about that?
Room membership and various other room state events are not currently end-to-end encrypted, which means a nosy admin on a participating homeserver could peek at them. (They're still not visible on the wire, though, nor on homeservers whose users haven't been invited.)
I don't know if Signal is actually much better here, since I haven't looked at their protocol. They hyped their Sealed Sender feature as a solution to some of this, but it can't really protect from nosy server admins who are able to alter the code, and they fundamentally cannot hide network-level meta-data like who is talking with whom. There's a brief and pretty accessible description of why in the video accompanying this paper.
I don't have a list of Matrix events that remain unencrypted in encrypted rooms. You could read the spec to find them if you're motivated enough to slog through it, but be warned that network protocol specs tend to be long and boring. :) Unfortunately, the few easy-to-digest blog posts about it that I've encountered have been both alarmist and inaccurate on important points (one widely circulated one was so bad that the author even retracted it), so not very useful for getting an objective view of the issue.
However, the maintainers have publicly acknowledged the issue as something they want to fix, both in online forums and in bug reports like this one:
https://github.com/element-hq/element-meta/issues/1214
Your organization can't host a federated Signal server, and email isn't private.
My previous organization has used it for over 4 years without issues, however mostly limited to text.
Simply using? Not very much, basically like Lemmy.
None? Use signal, as long as it works. If the Signal server goes down tho, you could selfhost Matrix.
matrix is for chat rooms full of strangers. signal is for talking to your friends
Its slack but it can be more secure (e2ee DMs).
Its good already and used as a public channel for most popular Foss projects' chats