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[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Both words refer to both concepts.

country

  1. A nation or state. 
  2. The territory of a nation or state; land. 
  3. The people of a nation or state; populace.

nation

  1. A relatively large group of people organized under a single, usually independent government; a country. 
  2. The territory occupied by such a group of people.
  3. The government of a sovereign state.
[–] Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This definition is not fully correct. A nation does not need to have a government. For example the Kurds

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yes but my point is that he’s not using the wrong word.

Edit: also Kurdistan exists

[–] Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Kurdistan doesn't really have a central government like that, nor fixed or well defined borders. Keep in mind that the concept of a "Nation State" is really only a couple hundred years old.

If that counterexample doesn't satisfy you, then Somalia should. It is a country without a functioning government, which has two nations inside of them of the northern and southern Somalians which are completely different, and neither of which have any sort of unifying government.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

That’s your point though, isn’t it?

The “people” and the “territory” are not the same thing, but both words “country” and “nation” are used more or less interchangeably to apply to either.

[–] Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The words country and nation are absolutely not interchangeable, no matter how lay people use the terms.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

You’re a prescriptivist then I take it.