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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 42 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Fuck Shapiro.

Fuck Newsom.

Harris better not ever show her face in a primary ever again after losing to Trump.

Buttiegieg is cool.

Fuck Beshear.

Fuck JB Pritzker.

Whitmer is cool.

Ro Khanna is alright.

Walz would probably be cool as long as he had a strong VP.

I am unfamiliar with Moore.

Fuck Fetterman.

Hey politico - why no fucking AoC? Why does this list look so full of neoliberal assholes that'll clearly lose to whoever the fuck the GOP puts up?

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

AOC has just turned 35. Although she is eligible, I wouldn't be surprised if some people want to avoid voting for someone who would still be under 40.

She might have her own priorities, also, and not want to try too early, because if she gets the nomination and fails, she might not get another one. She seems smart enough to only pick fights she can win. Chuck Schumer is no spring chicken and his term ends in 2028. I could see AOC taking that seat it she wants, serving 2 terms in the Senate, and still be in her early 50's for a Presidential or VP run.

[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

If Trump has taught us anything, it's that Americans have a growing appetite for "unconventional" candidates. A 40-year-old waitress from the Bronx is about as far from conventional as Trump (albeit in the opposite direction), but the more time she spends chasing Senate seats and climbing the political ladder, the more dulled that "political outsider" edge gets.

I think she should take a shot at 2028 — or at the very least, run for DNC chair next year. Someone like her directing political strategy would help younger and more progressive Democrats gain ground in local and congressional elections which could finally help shift the party back out of its corporate-sponsored neo-liberal rut and towards actual progressivism.

but the more time she spends chasing Senate seats and climbing the political ladder, the more dulled that "political outsider" edge gets.

I think it's possible to serve in Congress and still be considered a political outsider. It's not easy, the secret seems to be a strong commitment to principles outside of the mainstream but at least a couple of people have done it.

Bernie has been in the legislative branch since 91 and was in state government for a decade before that. Being a political outsider is still part of his appeal. On the other end of the spectrum Ron Paul was first elected to the House in 76 and retired from politics in 2013 without ever having become a political insider.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You have a point, although I don't exactly think the position of DNC chair screams "I'm an outsider"....

[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

You're right, it doesn't. But if we can transform the party into one that's focused on running younger and more progressive candidates, then the DNC at large will start to look less like a crusty party of "good old boys" and more like an actual grassroots movement of "outsiders". That's what I'd like to see for the future of the DNC and I think AOC would be a good face for that movement.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

Trump was a celebrity with name recognition. I think there's more to it than unconventional.

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fuck Buttigieg and fuck Whitmer too.

[–] Poach@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Whitmer was great during the Trump era (As a conservative, who the fuck decided to vote Trump after he literally shown us what type of president he was as 45. I’m starting to believe I’m not conservative now), as someone who looked logical and counter to Trumps stupid handling of COVID. But then Biden became president and, well, she capitulates too much to corporations. One sticking point for me is that along I94 she is planning to take away a lane for everybody (not bad in and of itself) and make it an autonomous vehicle testing lane. She takes from the people, doesn’t give the people an alternative, and gives to the corporations.

Buttigieg? He’s the ACB of politicians - he doesn’t have enough experience.

I want someone who is willing to use the system to its full extent and fix it (system including it here):

-Warren -AOC

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't trust Buttigieg's competence after how poorly he handled the port backlog as transportation secretary.

[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

His handling of the train derailment in Ohio was also pretty terrible, and didn't paint a very good picture of his crisis management skills.