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I mean, if an elephant dies what do they do with the body?

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[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A local zoo has a "taxidermy department" and noteworthy animals are preserved or skinned and the skins sold to friends of the zoo.

Its kept very secret because it would be publicly unpopular. A friends dad has a mountain lion skin because he is a contractor who does a lot of work for the zoo and did a few jobs for them that NEEDED to be done basically for cost when they were suffering some financial troubles. They gave him the pelt as a Xmas present.

[–] JamesTBagg@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Source: Trust me, bro.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world -5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It is so hypocritical that it’s unpopular with zoo-goers that come to look at animals in cages, while wearing leather and eating other animals.

If you’re against exploitation of animals, please align your actions with your morals and live vegan.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"If you can't be perfect you have no justification for being good"

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Didn’t say anyone should be perfect, just apply your morals consistently

[–] KaTaRaNaGa@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

“If you don’t apply your morals consistently, don’t bother applying them at all”…?

Human beings are not rational actors. It’s a recipe for burnout and depression to walk around expecting them to be.

For anybody feeling the way parent commenter feels, do yourself a favor and let it go. We’re human beings. What we are is what we are.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

do yourself a favor and let it go

I will stay angry as long as people are putting animals in gas chambers. The voiceless rely on people to stand up, they cannot end their own oppression.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

you don't have to be vegan to help stop animal cruelty. there are many, many humane and legit ways to help animals without veganism. not drinking milk or eating eggs doesn't matter.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Stopping the cruelty from the root of it is the best way to do it.

Go vegan!

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world -3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

eating eggs and milk is not animal cruelty

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 2 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Calves being ripped from their mothers and male chicks macerated is not animal cruelty?

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] spacesatan@leminal.space 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Something doesn't stop causing suffering because you call it a different name.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago

it's not cruelty. the suffering isn't the intention, it's just incidental.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

you act like thats literally the only way we can have milk and eggs. be real man.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

The only way you can have cows milk is by impregnating cows. Google how this is done, there is tutorial videos on YouTube. It is horrible.

The only way people have egg laying hens is by killing the male chicks. This happens even with backyard chickens.

Be real man.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago

This happens even with backyard chickens.

Damn, I’m vegan and I didn’t even know that 😭

[–] spacesatan@leminal.space 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

It's extremely rare outside of I think Germany but they have commercial in-ovo sexing for laying chickens now. Living conditions for laying chickens are still fucked though.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Do you have a source? I can’t find statistics on how many eggs sold are actually using this method.

I found an article from the guardian that mentions it is 98.5% accurate (as claimed by the company, not peer-reviewed) and they somehow claim the eggs sold using this method did not kill any male chicks. What do they do with the 1.5% of hatchlings that are male? Just put them in a cage to die of natural causes? There is billions of hens so that would be millions of male hatchlings even if this method was used in the real world (which I can’t find proof of)

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

artificial insemination is a veterinary procedure. I don't care to watch videos of live births or spaying and neutering, but that doesn't make them bad.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

All your examples are either voluntary or in the best interest of the animal.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

there is no higher benefit to any living things than to pass it's generic material to a new generation. sterilization is not in their interest, but AI is.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I believe being alive is of a higher benefit to any individual.

Dogs, cats and bunnies all live longer when spayed/neutered.

Spayed female cats in the study lived 39% longer and neutered male cats lived 62% longer. https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/why-you-should-spayneuter-your-pet#:~:text=Another%20study%2C%20conducted%20by%20Banfield,male%20cats%20lived%2062%25%20longer.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 40 minutes ago

I think we have different values

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world -1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I'm gonna start doubling my portions

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Damn bro, you let a vegan change your habits?

[–] spacesatan@leminal.space 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Epic bacon bro, never heard that one before.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

hey, you're not going to change anyones mind coming in here and them telling they're wrong and chastise them for not being vegan. you don't know me, but i guarantee that method is wasting your time.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 13 hours ago

The vast majority of that is through factory farming. It’s a cheap cop out from personal responsibility saying you only “buy local animal products.” You probably eat at restaurants or at friends’ houses without checking the source of those.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago

“You don’t have to stop the faucet before starting to mop”