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China announced Tuesday it is banning exports to the United States of gallium, germanium, antimony and other key high-tech materials with potential military applications, as a general principle, lashing back at U.S. limits on semiconductor-related exports. 

The Chinese Commerce Ministry announced the move after the Washington expanded its list of Chinese companies subject to export controls on computer chip-making equipment, software and high-bandwidth memory chips. Such chips are needed for advanced applications. 

The ratcheting up of trade restrictions comes as President-elect Donald Trump has been threatening to sharply raise tariffs on imports from China and other countries, potentially intensifyi

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[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 59 points 1 day ago (2 children)

More on gallium and its uses:

https://techiescientist.com/uses-of-gallium/

AP did not attempt to explain why all of these rare and exotic minerals and metals and compounds are used in manufacturing...

...because there a bunch of them, explaining all the reasons for using just one of them would basically be the equivalent of a crash course in applied chemistry / manufacturing / physics / engineering, and if you want to get into why these materials are used in lieu of others, well throw logistics and economics into that pile of course work as well.

AP is reporting the news, not being an industry specific journal, or a comprehensive policy impact study.

I agree with you that it was a frustrating read... but having worked as a copy editor, and having provided many different executive reports to various businesses and non profits, I also sympathize with the writer.

This is the kind of topic where you can either do a broad level overview, or you can write a tome for those who really want to dive into all the details to fully understand it... there's no effective way to do a middling approach on such a vast and complex topic.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Fair enough, that makes sense.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1445285/gallium-share-of-production-worldwide-by-country/

As of 2022, China basically produces all (98.4%) of the world's gallium.

... Statista has much more great info, but unless you want to pay for a subscription or spend a day hopping through proxy IPs... yeah, good luck.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

They produce 98% percent of low-purity Gallium. We produce plenty of high purity Gallium, and Gallium, like Germanium, comes from Zinc mining. Which we still do plenty of in the US. So if we need more high quality Gallium, it's not going to be hard to get.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Ah, so it's not a matter of "that's where the gallium is", it's "might as well buy it from China if they're sellin' it", same as the dollar store

Edit: I wouldn't be surprised if the places in the US producing high-quality gallium are using poor-quality Chinese gallium as feedstock though.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

They are, but we have plenty of Zinc mining we can get it from ourselves. It's just an economics matter, so we'd subsidize that. We only use enough to fill one truck load per year. So it's likely we'd just get a defense contractor to do it and subsidize it

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The previous article says: "The largest global producers of gallium are Russia, Germany, Australia, and France. "

Ok, looking at this: https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/energie/china-seltene-metalle-100.html

I can see that the reason China became this huge producer is because everyone else decided to stop and by from them instead, though that doesn't mean they can only rely on China for it.

But indeed it is now the largest gallium and germanium producer.

And Gallium is combined to make late-factorio stuff, so him who controls the Gallium, controls the future.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 5 points 18 hours ago

late-factorio stuff

That's how we're saying 'high-tech' now?

...fine, I dig it

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I will add that this isn't really that huge of a deal:

https://cybernews.com/editorial/gallium-germanium-semiconductor-alternatives/

The US and any other developed country can produce it, they just choose not to since the demand isn't that economical to go out of your way to mass produce:

A single truck could carry all the gallium that the US reportedly consumes each year. Most of the 18 tons of silvery metal are imported from China, the world's largest producer.

(From the article I linked)

Not enough for a business to specialize in the material. But, seeing as the US does produce a lot of zinc and aluminum and it can be refined as a byproduct of those materials, I won't be surprised if a company steps up to fill the gap after awhile.

Really, just read the article I linked. It gives a good rundown on all this plus the germanium. Ultimately, this isn't that big of a deal for the US.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

If it became an issue we would over pay Raytheon to refine it.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That article isn't great in the way that it considers GaAs wafers separately, as if Chinese export controls won't touch GaAs wafers, whereas the Chinese announcement specifies anything that might be used by the US military industrial complex containing Ga may be targeted.

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It doesn't consider them separately, the article I linked specifically mentions that the GaAs wafers would be impacted and presents a bigger impact. That doesn't take away the core point that China is the main producer because it's not that profitable. Other countries, including the US, can easily step in and begin refining Ga and Ge as necessary.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

In my personal experience, even wholly within a professional domain when an expert is trying to give an overview to non-experts (for example to mid-level managers for the purpose of decision making) a lot of things end up having to be axioms (i.e. "trust me this is how it works/this is what's needed/this is how its done" as fully trying to explained things to them would requires explanations of the explanations of the explanations.

This is with same-industry expert-domain-adjacent professionals, so I can see how much worse it would be when explaining stuff to average whose understanding of an industry is zero.