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[–] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Also probably extremely unqualified to be one.

Are you saying that I'm unqualified to be a journalist?

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 11 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

Well, I don't know you personally. I'm saying anybody who has to fact-check the uncited claims made in news articles, and thus is an acting journalist is statistically very likely to be extremely unqualified for the job.

Which explains a lot of how the 21st century is going, honestly.

[–] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

[…] I’m saying anybody who has to fact-check the uncited claims made in news articles, and thus is an acting journalist is statistically very likely to be extremely unqualified for the job. […]

What, in your opinion, would determine if someone is qualified to fact check a news article? Do you have criteria?

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think you might have missed the subtle point @mudman was making about marginal probabilities. Its not about their thresholds; any reasonable threshold would exclude the vast majority of people, mostly because the vast majority of people aren't journalists / don't have that training.

Do you own a dog house?

[–] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

[…] any reasonable threshold would exclude the vast majority of people, mostly because the vast majority of people aren’t journalists […]

Perhaps I should clarify that I don't agree with @MudMan@fedia.io's opinion, which was stated in my comment. By their use of the term "unqualified", it made me think that they had qualifications in mind which would be required to be met, in their opinion, before someone could be a journalist — I was simply curious what those qualifications were.

[–] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Do you own a dog house?

Classic Norm MacDonald. Never gets old.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 5 points 2 weeks ago (34 children)

Like I said, we should get research methods taught in school from very early on. For one thing, understanding what even counts as a source is not a trivial problem, let alone an independent source, let alone a credible independent source.

There's the mechanics of sourcing things (from home and on a computer, I presume we don't want every private citizen to be making phone calls to verify every claim they come across in social media), a basic understanding of archival and how to get access to it and either a light understanding of the subject matter or how to get access to somebody who has it.

There's a reason it's supposed to be a full time job, but you can definitely teach kids enough of the basics to both assess the quality of what they come across and how to mitigate the worst of it. In all seriousness.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

is an acting journalist is statistically very likely to be extremely unqualified for the job

Wait wait.. are you saying I'm unqualified to be a journalist? Because yeah you are probably right.

Also Bayes and stat pilled.

[–] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

[…] are you saying I’m unqualified to be a journalist? Because yeah you are probably right. […]

What makes you think that you are unqualified?

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What makes you think that you are unqualified?

A more than cursory knowledge of statistics.

[–] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Statistics of what?

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