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[–] RedC@sh.itjust.works -4 points 21 hours ago (33 children)

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Alec Baldwin is guilty of at least negligence with a firearm, although I'd go for manslaughter.

Being an actor doesn't absolve you of all responsibility. Anyone else who accidentally kills someone else get charged with manslaughter. The fact that the public doesn't see this obvious fact proves the stranglehold the rich have on American ideals. In any other professional job if I killed someone accidentally, whether it be with a gun, a car, or my own two hands, I would expect to atleast get tried for it.

That and Mr Baldwin straight up LIED about how it even happened. He told a story of the gun firing itself that several firearms experts, including the agency that was investigating, all said is impossible on the model of firearm he had. Yet everyone believes he shouldn't be charged.

If you had nothing to worry about, you wouldn't lie. He lied because he knows he didn't do his job.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 49 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (4 children)

Very much disagree. This was the responsibility of the firearms master and barring that the prop master.

As an actor on a professional set, it would be irresponsible to mess with a potentially dangerous prop in a way not indicated by the individual in charge of it. It could be a specialized gun modified in such a way that trying to remove a round makes a specialized effect charge go off. Way to go Alec. Now we need to take a 2 hour break as the prop master resets your fuck up when you were supposed to set off that smoke charge pulling the trigger.

It's the actor's job to get into the moment and act, there are other roles explicitly in charge of on set safety. Their prop master failed at their job. A professional pretender is one of the few situations where it is not their responsibility to actually know everything about what they're supposed to be pretending to do.

It isn't an actor's job to send a sample of sugar glass to a lab to make sure it's safely fragile enough to throw a co-star through, or rip open the foam bag they're supposed to push a Co star "off a building" into to check for sharp objects. Such a disruptive actor wouldn't get very far in their career.

[–] dukeofdummies@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Ordinarily I would agree, but there are a few issues with that.

For one, he's not just an actor. He's also credited as one of the 13 producers and co-producers. That producer hat does not disappear once the director yells action. That alone should open up a door for all 13 of these guys to get charges applied if they ignored warnings about safety. Not saying it's an open and shut case, hell maybe he's only producer in name for bragging rights and never attended a meeting, it's a valid argument he can make. But I think it definitely opens the door.

Secondly, the amount of star power he has does give him some power in this film. If people are complaining about safety and he's domineering over people going "Shut up! I need filming done in 3 months so I can move to x film, give me the gun lets go". He's culpable in my eyes. He actively silenced and ignored concerns in that hypothetical and proceeded to roll the dice himself. Again no idea if that happened but it would absolutely open the door for charges.

The fact that the case is being dropped suggests that maybe they thought they had a case in these two veins, but ultimately couldn't make the argument to a reliable degree.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 8 points 15 hours ago

Producer == investor. It's the only way acting talent gets real pay.

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