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It's an internet discussion, if I linked a bunch of scholarly articles, like the creator of the video did, no one would actually read them. It's a quick introduction for anyone who is curious. Also, this topic has come up on /r/askhistorians several times and has been answered by some of the same scholars referenced in the video.
Everyone knows Jesus was not born on December 25th, and yeah, it was stolen. I can make a YouTube video too. 🙄
That doesn't make it a stolen pagan holiday. Are you a professor of Roman art and Archeology like Steven Hijmans, one of the scholars cited in the video? The medium of presentation doesn't make the information invalid.
It's far from cut and dry, and there are multiple schools of thought and conflicting interpretations. Steven Hijmans is a revisionist. Traditionally, it's indeed believed that it was originally a pagan holiday in celebration of Sol Invictus.
Steven Hijmans presents an alternative interpretation of the various texts that challenges this understanding. He may or may not be correct, but nevertheless, one should not assume that his views reflect a consensus among historians.
Thank you for engaging with the sources I was providing and not dismissing them outright. I was in the Christmas is pagan camp for a while and found the idea appealing because I dislike how Christianity homogenized everything and stomped out a bunch of unique cultures that we'll likely never know about.
Then I started seeing some experts in the field trying to dispel the idea and I started to have doubts. Now I think Christmas was created independently and then it absorbed local customs as Christianity spread (that's just my history enthusiast opinion though).
No scholars have ever gotten it wrong, or argued for something in favor of what their beliefs are, despite it being a well documented topic.
Please make a YouTube video with sources.
Hehe. Naw, it’s widely accepted and documented. You can find this information easily.
If you try hard enough, you can find info on how the earth is flat… with sources.
So believe what you want. Idgaf
I honestly don't care. Who gives a fuck if a holiday is stolen or not. It isn't even about Christ anymore. It's about Santa.
Also claiming stuff like that and refusing to provide sources and complaining about people who do, should just fuck off.
Sure sound like you care. Also sound like any “sources” I give you will dismiss.
I won't present you with evidence unless you believe me without evidence, at which point, you don't need evidence anymore.
So you, an ML, believe Jesus is both real and born on Dec 25th, and that Christmas was not strategically placed on that date as a way to suppress another holiday in that period?