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The modern "heroization" of Jimmy Carter by people who never experienced his presidency has frustrated many of us who did experience it. Those were difficult times. But...
While I appreciate this dose of reality, I don't think the occasion of his death is the appropriate time to post it. Give the man and his family some respect.
He was a moral man who tried his best, made mistakes, and was possibly a little better person than we all strive to be. He brokered a Middle East peace treaty that was ground breaking. No need to shit on him now.
Supported the invasion of East Timor by the (then) fascist Indonesian government
Backed apartheid South Africa's invasion of Angola and supported right-wing militias in the country
Blocked reparations to Vietnam after the failed US invasion and occupation
Backed fascist militias in Afghanistan in opposition to the democratic government
Supported the destabilisation of Grenada after the election of a socialist government leading to the eventual invasion and occupation by his successor's administration
Facilitated and supported a fascist coup in Liberia
Established the 'Carter Doctrine' which publicly asserted US imperialist designs on the Persian Gulf, particularly its oil, and has informed US neo-colonial policy in the region ever since
Supported murderous dictatorships in Cambodia, El Salvador, Iran, Somalia, South Korea, Turkey
He was a monster
Yes! Thank you! Felt alone in here lol
Hexbears together strong. But also fuck Jimmy Carter so much. All my Vietnamese, Cambodian, Iranian, south american in general and Indonesian homies hate Carter (I'd list more countries but these are ones I genuinely do know people from and Carter bankroll their parents lives being a brutal struggle for survival). I hope they serve Billy Beer in hell. Being a habitat for humanity guy is fucking hilarious considering how many genocidal maniacs and right wing death squads he bank rolled. Destroying habitation and humans without a shred of humanity. Can't wait until Bush croaks so we can have people talk about his paintings or whatever.
Counterpoint fuck that guy. He deserves to be shit on. No one in the US ruling class deserves respect
Yeah, I guess... on the other hand, Idk why he had a "tankie" turn post-presidency
Because he didn't lol
Wow what a revolutionary
You didn't link to this, just the entire thread. I had no clue what you refering to. Oh and
no, this is exactly the time to post it because now is when everyone else is jacking off his corpse.
He did not in fact broker middle east peace.
That's not what I said.
Normalizing Israel with Egypt without any gain for Palestinians was a massive gain for Israel and solved nothing. Israelis got handed their peace treaties which kept others from helping Palestinians. This only prolonged the issue of the Apartheid existing.
Fuck respect. He was as much of a war criminal as Kissinger.
Hear it not, Carter, for it is a knell
That summons thee to heaven or to hell.
That's kinda true, post-presidency, he did try to redeem himself from the U.S's usual foreign policy.
Open to China's rise to powerSympathetic to North Korea, to the point he even negiotiated with them in the 1990s to let them give up their nukes:
And a Chavista:
He even admitted America's electoral flaws
And Palestine:
Maybe less so than FDR, but at least Carter lived to atone his former sins somewhat
Emkay... seems good
Still doesn't exonerate from introducing Ted Lasso liberal finance capital fascism (also known as Neoliberalism)
Introducing the hawkish national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski who did the following
the following
Supporting Iraq and Nicaragua contras before Reagan did itSupporting Angolan anti-communists and Mujahideen Afghan rebels
Backing China and Khmer Rouge against Soviet ally Vietnam (for what? Stopping the genocide there)
Backing East Timor and Guatemala genocides
But what would I expect from a white sharecropper family in a SSettler SSnake society of the Disunited SStates of Amerikkka
But okay, I guess I'll respect that
He supported Pol Pot
Well, I apologize... he wasn't good during his term, and I guess post-presidency, what he did was too little to redeem himself from the overall geopolitical U.S hegemony's bloody project
Judging from what I hear over the threads
It's always appropriate to speak the truth.
Presidents are faced with all kinds of choices between two bad options. They become known for the one they choose. We don't get that kind of reckoning.
Like, I voted for Kamala. Looking at me through the eye of history's telescope, some would say I voted to support genocide in Lebanon. I could argue well, there was a worse option and I didn't vote for that one.
Do we know what Jimmy Carter was rejecting when he chose the options he did? I don't.
Like Pontius Pilate said to Jesus, "What is truth?"
I get it, you want to whitewash him because you're whitewashing yourself. You supported genocide and it behooves you to position yourself as if that wasn't an affirmative choice by absolving a historic monster who actually had full agency over his actions.
I voted for Jimmy Carter twice. Best president of my lifetime.