Fuck man, to get back to a US president that actually cared about labor you probably need to go all the way back to FDR. JFK is debatable - RFK (not the junior fuck) would have probably been a strong advocate but JFK was more centrist.
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We really gotta stop using "centrist" instead of pro-corporate. That's just establishment sleight of hand to make pro-corporate policies look like the defaults.
centrist is just “weakly pro billionaire”. Which is still pro billionaire.
If you like - personally centrist, in my mind, just means "Doesn't stand for shit except self enrichment"
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Kind of a weird question— and I’m not defending whatever the article is alleging— but what’s the point of trying to smear Carter’s memory?
He’s dead. Nobody praises the bad things he might have done. This feels like an attempt to instill even more tiredness into an already exhausted society— “see? Even the guy everyone likes sucked! Nobody should be thought of as good, you must keep this in mind.”
This doesn’t help unions. This doesn’t help the left. This doesn’t help anyone. Americans are rightfully haggard and all remaining energy should be spent trying to keep the upcoming administration in chaos to minimize harm or supporting good people. Why waste time trying to diminish the memory of a man who, far as I can tell, has done nothing but good the past 40 years?
And fuck, haven’t we had enough negativity? Many days I avoid social media entirely because it’s just negativity upon negativity. I genuinely can’t fathom a single positive or useful takeaway from media like this.
Why shouldn't someone that felt betrayed by a politician write about their experience? Why shouldn't people learn about these perspectives?
"Can everyone quit being so negative" is an awful take when talking about politics/politicians.
because it only makes sense in a vacuum, if you compare carter's time to anyone else's, it holds up fine if not great.
it's bullllllshit
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Baffling.
We need to whitewash a genocidal war criminal because civility politics and uniting against trump. Because unique to one of 'our good ones' the event of their passing IS NOT a good time to retrospect their lives and impact. Because aren't we tired of the divisiveness of questioning our betters?
Starting to think liberals' brains haven't actually been fried by trump, they've always been feckless monsters
Liberals brains were fried by Bill Clinton. Starting with him they couldn't see the entire party's hard march to the right.
He also provided support to the Khmer Rouge
Plus he was president and APAB
A neoliberal and a war criminal.
Hmm... how about I throw some links at you as well, to make your point
On Brzezinski, the national security advisor https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/05/john-helmer-zbigniew-brzezinski-svengali-jimmy-carters-presidency-dead-evil-lives.html
Foreign policy
https://afflictthecomfortable.org/2020/11/19/jimmy-carter-is-a-saint-now-was-a-war-criminal-then/
East Timor genocide funding https://web.archive.org/web/20170226181104/https://www.worldpolicy.org/projects/arms/reports/indoarms.html
Wow, and to think he's one of the least bloodiest presidents...
We’re still living in Brzezinski’s shadow today in Ukraine. This is the proxy war he would have wanted, with the goal of collapsing the Russian state and balkanizing Russia. Weaponizing Europe, Countering Eurasia: Mackinder, Brzezinski, Nuland and the Road to the Ukraine War
Seriously, people look at these guys like they’re perfect shining examples of world leaders because the last presidents were so horrifically bad. I am not going to pretend that these assholes aren’t still huge pieces of shit because they did CONTROVERSIAL THINGS like stopping supporting Pinochet…. THAT SHOULD BE A NO BRAINER WTF WERE YOU GUYS SUPPORTING HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE? Like I feel like I’m losing my mind here. These are not good fucking people. Some people being worse does not make something else good.
is there a president that didn’t commit war crimes?
...of the USA? Not in my lifetime.
Not in any lifetime. Even the dude who was president for a month and died still got to the office over the dead bodies of Natives.
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The modern "heroization" of Jimmy Carter by people who never experienced his presidency has frustrated many of us who did experience it. Those were difficult times. But...
While I appreciate this dose of reality, I don't think the occasion of his death is the appropriate time to post it. Give the man and his family some respect.
He was a moral man who tried his best, made mistakes, and was possibly a little better person than we all strive to be. He brokered a Middle East peace treaty that was ground breaking. No need to shit on him now.
Supported the invasion of East Timor by the (then) fascist Indonesian government
Backed apartheid South Africa's invasion of Angola and supported right-wing militias in the country
Blocked reparations to Vietnam after the failed US invasion and occupation
Backed fascist militias in Afghanistan in opposition to the democratic government
Supported the destabilisation of Grenada after the election of a socialist government leading to the eventual invasion and occupation by his successor's administration
Facilitated and supported a fascist coup in Liberia
Established the 'Carter Doctrine' which publicly asserted US imperialist designs on the Persian Gulf, particularly its oil, and has informed US neo-colonial policy in the region ever since
Supported murderous dictatorships in Cambodia, El Salvador, Iran, Somalia, South Korea, Turkey
He was a monster
He was a monster
Yes! Thank you! Felt alone in here lol
Hexbears together strong. But also fuck Jimmy Carter so much. All my Vietnamese, Cambodian, Iranian, south american in general and Indonesian homies hate Carter (I'd list more countries but these are ones I genuinely do know people from and Carter bankroll their parents lives being a brutal struggle for survival). I hope they serve Billy Beer in hell. Being a habitat for humanity guy is fucking hilarious considering how many genocidal maniacs and right wing death squads he bank rolled. Destroying habitation and humans without a shred of humanity. Can't wait until Bush croaks so we can have people talk about his paintings or whatever.
Counterpoint fuck that guy. He deserves to be shit on. No one in the US ruling class deserves respect
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I don't think the occasion of his death is the appropriate time to post it.
no, this is exactly the time to post it because now is when everyone else is jacking off his corpse.
No need to shit on him now.
Hear it not, Carter, for it is a knell
That summons thee to heaven or to hell.
He was a moral man who tried his best, made mistakes, and was possibly a little better person than {most average U.S presidents} strive to be.
That's kinda true, post-presidency, he did try to redeem himself from the U.S's usual foreign policy.
Open to China's rise to power
“And do you know why? I normalized diplomatic relations with China in 1979. Since 1979 do you know how many times China has been at war with anybody? None. And we have stayed at war,” he said. The U.S., Carter said, has been at war for all but 16 years of its 242-year history. He called the United States “the most warlike nation in the history of the world,” because of a tendency to try to force others to “adopt our American principles.”
Carter suggested that instead of war, China has been investing in its own infrastructure, mentioning that China has 18,000 miles of high-speed railroad.
“How many miles of high-speed railroad do we have in this country?” Zero, the congregation answered.
“We have wasted I think $3 trillion,” Carter said of American military spending. “… It’s more than you can imagine. China has not wasted a single penny on war and that’s why they’re ahead of us. In almost every way.
“And the North Koreans suffered because the United States did everything possible to destroy their economy. And we did everything possible to boost South Korea's economy. And so we condemn North Korea because its economy is lagging behind and its people are starving.”
“Electoral process in Venezuela is the best in the world." The comments were made in 2012, just three weeks before Venezuelans re-elected Chávez for his last term in office.
“There are 92 elections that we monitor, I would say that the electoral process in Venezuela is the best in the world,” he said in an annual speech at the Carter Center in Atlanta. He stressed that the system is fully automated, which makes counting faster.
He even admitted America's electoral flaws
At the time, Carter also revealed his opinion that in the US “we have one of the worst electoral processes in the world, and it's almost entirely due to the excessive inflow of money,” he said, referring to the lack of control over private campaign donations.
The Carter Center was one of the only Western NGOs to declare that the 2004 referendum in Venezuela (an attempted legislative coup, following the failure of the military coup in 2002) was fair and free.
In his book Carter argues that Israel's continued control and construction of settlements have been the primary obstacles to a comprehensive peace agreement in the Middle East. That perspective, coupled with the use of the word Apartheid in the titular phrase Peace Not Apartheid, and what critics said were errors and misstatements in the book, sparked controversy. Carter has defended his book and countered that response to it "in the real world…has been overwhelmingly positive."
Maybe less so than FDR, but at least Carter lived to atone his former sins somewhat
Emkay... seems good
Still doesn't exonerate from introducing Ted Lasso liberal finance capital fascism (also known as Neoliberalism)
Introducing the hawkish national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski who did the following
the following
Supporting Iraq and Nicaragua contras before Reagan did it
Supporting Angolan anti-communists and Mujahideen Afghan rebels
Backing China and Khmer Rouge against Soviet ally Vietnam (for what? Stopping the genocide there)
Backing East Timor and Guatemala genocides
But what would I expect from a white sharecropper family in a SSettler SSnake society of the Disunited SStates of Amerikkka
But okay, I guess I'll respect that
Fuck respect. He was as much of a war criminal as Kissinger.
He's also a war criminal
Every president since the founding of the country is a war criminal.
Agree, I can't believe they wasted good tea by throwing it in the harbour
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