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[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 33 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

bicycles are good too, though maybe not for the longer distances that you would put congestion taxes on

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 46 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Can be good. I ride my bike when I can, but my area IS NOT built for it, so it actually pretty risky. Heck some normal routes for me would probably get me stopped by the cops for recklessness.

[–] IonAddis@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I've biked a lot in my life, and I'm very aware of my surroundings, and I know when to stop riding and start walking the bike.

For some reason...most bikers are NOT like me. I don't know why, they just aren't. They're dumb and clueless and, especially if they're men in athletic spandex, really entitled and do really dangerous shit. They get on bikes with their car-brain still loaded, and make decisions like they have a shell of metal and crumple zones and airbags around them. Even though they're just squishy flesh on a bunch of metal tubes.

Last summer, I was driving through a construction zone, and some 9-5 commuter guy on a bike decided to bike through the construction zone too, right along with all the cars. The road was narrow even just for cars, and the pavement had been ripped up and filled in as they did work to replace water mains underneath the road, and he was trying to bike through it, next to the cars. I was worried for him and kept looking in my rear view after I passed him. Good thing I did. Behind me, a truck pulling a small trailer clipped him accidentally (since the trailers swing back and forth a bit when navigating an uneven, narrow construction zone), and it clipped the front tire of his bike and he fell. It wasn't even purposeful, the guy who clipped him stopped too to make sure he was ok. It was just a dangerous area to bike in. I got to the guy first, so I stopped and called an ambulance for him.

Overall he got away lightly. He was shaken and bruised and had a small gouge on one finger, and was able to refuse the ambulance and have a relative drive him to an urgent care. But when we looked at his helmet, it was cracked, and if he hadn't been wearing a helmet even that light lovetap he got from the trailer might have been much worse. The helmet probably saved him from even more serious harm.

I didn't say it to his face, because I figured he'd learned his lesson, but it was REALLY fucking stupid to try to ride a bicycle through a construction zone like that, helmet or no. He was just a dumb 9-5 commuter guy in a dress shirt and tie trying to save on gas or the environment or whatever--and I guess he just never thought about what he was doing beyond that. He had car-brain, and was trying to ride his bike as if he were still in a car through a zone where it was really dangerous to NOT be in a car.

It doesn't matter if the laws say cars need to share the road with you or whatever--the laws of physics are much more concrete than the laws of mankind, and you need to pay attention to your physical surroundings and get off when you end up in a situation like that.

Anyway. My whole point is--yeah, some areas just aren't safely bike-able.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 1 points 2 hours ago

Dude should have taken the lane. Single lane roads are extremely safe for bicycles, as long as no one is recklessly passing each other.

[–] ogeist@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

In my city of origin, you would get robbed as soon as you jump on the bike or killed if you are from a dangerous area.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

How long are those distances?

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Here in Stockholm, the congestion tax zone is bordered by the inner ring highway (norra och södra länken), so a trip encountering the congestion tax would have to be between a suburb and downtown Stockholm.

It depends on where you're coming from and where you're going. In the closer suburbs, it's bikable. You could live in Hagastaden and only go to st eriksplan which would only be 1km which is easily walkable. But even if you live in Solna centrum and you're biking in, it's at least 3km to get into town, and could go up to 8-10km if you're going to the other side of town, so that's about the limit of bikability.

If you're in a more car focused area further out, like the end of the subway, it's 10-15 km just to get into town, so you'll need to take the train.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Thanks for that answer.

I think 10km is a great distance for biking, glad to hear my idea of it seems to match up.