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Please do not remove mods, really sorry for the Google AMP link, but this is a "subscribers only" blocked article on CNN that for some reason AMP just straight up bypasses and opens fine.

Direct link: https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/10/us/jury-nullification-luigi-mangione-defense/index.html.

Edit 1: updated title, CNN changed it on me

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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

https://www.thecity.nyc/2022/12/13/edny-fbi-investigating-nypd-drug-planting-allegations/

https://lawandcrime.com/police/nypd-says-cops-who-allegedly-planted-drug-evidence-on-black-men-did-nothing-wrong/

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/18/nypd-misconduct-body-cameras-marijuana/

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ex-nypd-cop-we-planted-ev_n_1009754

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-throws-man-guilty-plea-224510985.html

It's a hard truth to accept that police lie, falsify evidence, and frame people. And I don't even need to make the claim that cops in general plant evidence. I can make that claim for the NYPD specifically.

NYPD has been caught before planting evidence on people. They were caught doing this not in the dark days of Tammany Hall, but literally just within the last 10 years.

The only physical evidence linking Luigi to the crime scene is a bottle or wrapper that was found in a nearby trashcan that had his DNA on it. The shooter was dressed in a similar outfit to Luigi, a generic outfit that hundreds of men in NYC are wearing at any given time of the day or night. It might have been Luigi that placed that trash there. Or it could have even been the real killer. The real killer could have simply waited until someone that looked a bit like him dropped a wrapper in the trash, and then transported it to the scene of the crime. For a killer that seems to have planned things to such a level of intricacy, planting a false trail of evidence really doesn't seem unlikely.

I could absolutely see the NYPD convincing themselves, "well, we got Luigi's DNA near the scene. We have a video that appears to be him putting it in the trash can. This is almost certainly our guy, but he's a crafty one and knew what he was doing. Let's just fabricate some additional evidence to really seal the deal."

It's telling that Luigi is just the kind of target that the NYPD would pick out if they were going to frame someone for this. Yes, he is from a wealthy family, but he's been completely no-contact with them for the better part of a year. His family was actively looking for him. Luigi personally was not someone of high social status. He appears to have been living as a drifter and living in hostels and homeless shelters for the last year.

If the NYPD was going to try and frame someone, who better than some random homeless queer kid?

Do I think Luigi actually did it? Probably. But we don't convict people on "probably." At least with the evidence we've seen in public so far, I would vote not guilty for Luigi. I would want to have a lot more info on the provenance of the weapon and manifesto they had on him before I would vote to convict.

For example, here's what I want to know. Where is Luigi's workshop? You're not making that kind of 3D printed gun in a shared bedroom of a youth hostel. You need space, tools, and privacy. And no maker space is going to let you make and prototype guns on their printers. Where exactly did that gun come from? Where is Luigi's workshop?