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Congratulations? How does that help Linux adoption, though.
We don't need spy backdoors in Linux, keep that shit in Windows.
Adoption does not include bad things.
Yes, it does. Whoever wants to install the "spy backdoors" should be able to. It's called freedom. Look it up.
You can break it yourself if you compile your own kernel. I do, btw.
No need to support it for the general public.
Unless the general public wants to play a game that requires it. You're living in your own world.
Stop giving companies excuses to do outrageous shit.
Like it's absolutely mindboggling how much shit do people eat in order to play a game. Kernel level anticheat has access to your entire computer, and you can't even know what it does.
And for absolutely no benefit at all. You can make anticheats on server, or simple client stuff without reading your entire memory.
I know exactly what it is, I also know it's what people want.
Well if they are losing out on sales due to practices that are incompatible with Linux then companies are less likely to use those practices in the future.
Remember back when people said nothing was wrong with Linux gaming and it was actually game studios that had to start developing for Linux so the studios changed their practices and started developing native Linux games? Yeah, me neither.
Because people were still buying the games on Windows. If people start actively not buying things then it encourages change. If people complain but still buy it anyway then nothing will change. Vote with your wallet (which is what OP is doing).
Voting with your wallet doesn't work when you're 3% of the 3%. It didn't work to get games on Linux and it won't work to get rid of kernel anticheat. Wanna know what works? Making things work. Like Valve did with Proton while people like OP were voting with their wallet.
So what is your problem with what OP is doing? That they aren't personally releasing games to compete with the ones using kernel level anti-cheat?
Do you think that was profitable for Steam (from people voting with their wallet), or do you think Steam did it for charity out of the kindness of their hearts?
My problem is that being in denial about the state of gaming on Linux (better than before, still garbage) does nothing to improve the state of gaming on Linux.
You seem to think that Valve developed Proton to capture the Linux marketshare. That's unbelievably naive.
How is gaming support on Linux "still garbage"?
90% of games work out of the box. No tweaks, just press play.
You have options for launchers, Steam, Heroic, Lutris...
I've dropped Windows about 8 years ago, and I missed on a couple of games, mostly due to the anticheat bullshit.
I even mod my games on Linux without issues.
There were more issues with gaming on Windows than issues I had on Linux.
It could be 99% of games and it wouldn't matter if the remaining 1% are what people actually wanna play. Support for games outside of Steam is beyond the capabilities of most PC users. Most people don't actually enjoy playing Troubleshooting Simulator.
I play games outside of Steam as well?
Wtf, those launchers play games without issues outside the Steam? What are you talking about?
And if that last 1% of games does crazy shit, it can stay on Windows. There is no need to fully support everything from Windows (down to exploits) on Linux.
Okay, so why did they develop it?
Because Microsoft has the power to end Steam almost overnight so Valve is desperately trying to move people away from Windows. Linux just happened to be a useful tool but Proton aims to capture the Linux userbase about as much as ChromeOS does.
You want to explain that one? Yes, Steam was exclusively on Windows, but how exactly would Microsoft "end them almost overnight" without immediately being slapped with significant lawsuits? Do you honestly believe Microsoft would put something in their code that specifically excludes Steam?
You call me nieve and then claim the reason was wild conspiracy theories...
Lawsuits won't do anything to stop Microsoft in the short term, look at what happened to Netscape. Valve understands that "voting with your wallet" doesn't work because the majority of people will buy whatever the current monopoly holder tells them to buy.
Do you live under a rock? Valve has been very clear about their intentions since the days of the Steam machines.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/valve-windows-8-is-a-catastrophe-for-pcs/
It was done for profit. The exact thing I've been saying.
That quote doesn't mean what you think it means. And you haven't been saying it was done for profit, you've been saying it was done because "people voted with their wallet".
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Companies will do something if they have a profit incentive to do so. They will not do things if they do not have a profit incentive to do so. People voting with their wallet creates a profit incentive.
People voting with their wallet creates no profit incentive. It's what I've been trying to explain to you since your very first comment.