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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Which is not something you expect from someone in the MAGA cult.

Agreed up to here.

Tons, if not most, Trump voters are just in a toxic information environment, and would not support him if (for instance) they were sat down in a court and showed facts.

But Trump won the propaganda game.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

It basically boils down to, "if they had had entirely different experiences and had learned different things then they wouldn't be like this! We just need to change everything about them!"

Most of them are lost. I have given up because they simply do not want to be good people. They are not looking to make the MORAL choice. They want to win.

That's it. They would even take us just losing more than they do.

I will ensure they lose FAR more.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

But Trump won the propaganda game.

Rupert Murdoch and Sinclair Broadcast Group won the propaganda game. Trump is a useful tool for them, he gives them operational control over tax, budget and regulatory policy. Murdoch has been laying ground for this since the Reagan administration.

[–] Alenalda@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

This is wishful thinking, when someone shows you who they are, believe them.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I've asked many of these people point blank about policies relating to gender, minorities, and many other black and white topics, and 100% of the time they roll with the bigoted preference.

I have no doubt that most of them are victims of propaganda and echo chambers, but I feel most already had deep ingrained views that they are now comfortable sharing because their hateful rhetoric has been wildly accepted. I do acknowledge that for a good chunk of those people, they were raised in that environment and never left, so it's more difficult to completely trash them, but in the digital environment where information spreads and the side of electricity, it tough to excuse any bigotry.

I do think if most of them were forced to think critically and explain their views, that they wouldn't actually support Trump, but critical thinking is kind of the problem.