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this was the last straw? it wasn't workers peeing in bottles, or businesses being displaced to build warehouses, or tax avoidance, or sweat shop wages for international workers?
to the trolls below, I'm a full time activist, you're just keyboard warriors
While hilarious I think the guy was making a fair enough point lol
Though we can all do better of course.
Please lord, don't let chat bubble strawmen be the rest of my life. Amen.
It’s far easier to just not use Amazon than it is to not own a phone or computer.
Yes, it sucks there are no good options to buy an “ethical” phone, but phones are basically a necessity. Instead of shopping from Amazon you can shop from tons of other places.
Yeah, I try to buy stuff from brick and mortar stores. I figure that even if it’s a big box store at least there are actual employees working there who live in my area.
But I can’t even find the kind of underwear I like at any physical store near me. Even online, Amazon seems to be the only place that stocks it.
The same goes for the style of jacket that I prefer. I’ve spent months looking everywhere, and the only place where I've found even an approximation of what I want is Amazon.
I’ve noticed that even in big box stores nowadays the selection is pretty limited. You'll see a wall of racks full of the same item. I don't know if it's supply chain issues or if they've just decided that it's not worth the trouble of trying to stock a variety of items that only appeal to a relatively small number of people.
I went to Home Depot store looking for some (admittedly kinda weird) hardware and after browsing around for a while the store associate told me to buy it on Amazon.
Actually there are. Look up Fairphone and Shiftphone
As someone who recently tried the Fairphone 4 out to replace an absolutely dying OnePlus 5 I've had for years as well as the guy who uses open source everything/advocates for the same - It's not a mainstream option at all yet. If they could decouple the software from the hardware better maybe people would be willing to deal with the bugs but eOS and Lineage, while awesome projects I support, don't play with many "secure" apps at all due to how Google decided to lock them down and that alone is a deal breaker for anyone working where you need access to say...Outlook. Banking apps can have issues (depending on the bank) which while maybe easy to work around for you and I is a huge pain in the ass for most folks who just want their phone to work. Having to jump through hoops to get the Play store on there in the first place is not going to work for anyone who isn't fully committed to the de-Googled experience. F-Droid is the first thing I install on a new phone but there's no way it's going to be my only portal to apps I need.
They are certainly meeting their own set goals, and the hardware while bulky doesn't feel cheap or anything, so that's great. I really love how easy it would be to replace most of the phone if/when broken, and the commitment to fair labor practices and control of the supply chain is tremendously commendable. But for a tool most humans rely on for day to day life, the honest truth is neither project is quite there yet to be adopted in the mainstream.
If it sounds like I'm shitting on either of these companies that isn't my intent at all. I'm following the progress with FP5 and really look forward to seeing the ideas set here grow if they can.
That's a bummer. Hope they manage to iron out those issues because I was planning on getting one when my Samsung dies.
I mean... get one and try it out! They have a fair return policy.
ah yes, the contrarian absolutist here. i don't wear brands unless they're second hand, i use the cheapest electronics to suit my needs & use them til they break or can't be repaired. i make an EFFORT to reduce consumption & about large corporations when i can, what the fuck are you doing to help?
Get bent. You moralizing keyboard pseudo-activitist.
Why aren't you out right now on a picket line? Why are you wasting time on a forum, instead of helping the homeless? Why aren't you...
How far are you willing to take your arbitrary purity tests? Instead of supporting someone who is intending to support an action you clearly also support e.g. cancelling Prime, you're lecturing them why they should have done it sooner. Or why their choice is less moral then yours.
I bet that if Ted Cruz came out tomorrow to be the deciding vote on Medicare For All, and publicly stating his intent to do so, you'd scream about how Dems shouldn't support any bill that has the support of such a scumbag. Because to you, the purity test is more important than the actual result and impact.
And if you're not American, then insert whatever relevant politician and issue would be comparable to your county. The point still stands.
This is the best reply to some smug fart-sniffing “oh THAT’s why you etc etc but WHY NOT OTHER THINGS?!” bullshit I’ve ever read.
Have fun purchasing ethical power, food, textiles and electronics unless you're already rich working at a non fortune-500 company lol.
Fortune 500 employees are some of the worst paid and most exploited. See Amazon, Walmart, etc. Even at the white collar level they get paid shit. The old "work for a Fortune 100" bit hasn't been relevant since the dot-com boom.
Top level Devs at Amazon get paid 1m a year, plus stock options
Top level devs at Amazon would get paid that anywhere. They aren't competing for a spot at Amazon, Amazon is competing for them.
i already do actually, been vegan for years, how about you?
Those all impact others. Nobody gives a shit about others. This impacts them, which is the only thing that matters to pretty much everyone. Look out for #1.
It was those things for me, I cancelled Prime years ago and never buy from Amazon (I will browse however and reach out to the seller via their own website)