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[–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 153 points 1 day ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (33 children)

I don't understand what it's going to take for someone to do something. Protests are not going to work when they're holding all our money, services, rights, data, etc hostage, and threatening all our public servants. We already had a hard time protesting before this, because health care is tied to employment. It's not a coincidence that they're going after Medicare and Medicaid. They want an entire nation of indentured servants. Unable to own anything, including our own freedom. When we can't work anymore we can just go die in the wilderness like animals I guess. Hmm where have we heard that before?

Everyone is terrified and exhausted. It seems pretty evident that the election was outright stolen, and I have a hard time believing nobody in power suspected something that many of us immediately called, not with the mountains of evidence that's been stacking up for months, years even. So why didn't they do anything? Why did they wait until Trump was sworn in to even talk about it?

I see Canadians online talking about Americans like we chose this. But we didn't, it was forced upon us, and we're begging for help! Who can we turn to if not our allies? What is going on???

Edit: To those claiming that I'm just as bad as the J6ers, that the election was not tampered with and Harris just ran a terrible campaign; whether unwittingly or not, you are part of the problem. You're falling for the suppression and misinformation tactics, or you're facilitating them. I'm editing my comment to compile some links, but let me be clear, I fully expect that you're going to deny these facts as well, and move the goalposts again. My refusal to engage is not a concession, it's me protecting what little emotional energy I have left.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2024_United_States_elections

Some great information about voter suppression from a trusted journalist: https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/

This guy's compilation is great

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/eligible-voters-swept-up-conservative-activists-purge-voter-rolls/

https://www.youtube.com/live/284VFHrO8Nc

https://sos.ga.gov/news/georgias-2024-statewide-risk-limiting-audit-confirms-voting-system-accuracy ~ please note the date (November 20th) and how soon after the election this was, in business days. This link should be taken into consideration with a few more facts, including what we know about their flawed 2020 audit and Trump's famous phone call. Here is a good examination of the audit showing two very important oddities that should be further examined: https://goudanachos.github.io/pages/georgia-rla-discrepancy-analysis-2024/

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-voting-machines-trump-investigation-2018890

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fake-bomb-threats-linked-russia-briefly-close-georgia-polling-locations-2024-11-05/

https://english.elpais.com/usa/2025-01-06/musk-and-putins-dual-interference-in-europe.html ~ an article about just some of the countries where there are suspected or substantiated instances of election interference.

Yes, this is what NATO is for. It is an alliance meant to prevent fascism from taking hold. Just because it's only ever been used in non member countries doesn't mean it can't be used on us, especially if Trump continues to threaten allies. Talking about this leading to WWIII is a strawman argument. You don't know that will happen and it is not a good reason to not be asking for help from our allies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO

To those who think comparisons to Hitler and Nazi Germany are hyperbole:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/01/hitler-germany-constitution-authoritarianism/681233/

I fully expect that some of the bad actors from reddit are here as well. For anyone else reading this: Question their motives. If they're trying to deny what we can see with our own eyes, their intentions are not good.

I will continue to add links as I'm able.

Watch this if you haven't already: https://youtu.be/CVgNJf6CsBA

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 61 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

People keep saying this, but WHO?

Who are you talking about?

Who is this "somebody" you keep talking about showing up to save us?

Look, nobody is coming to save us, and asking somebody else to risk harm on your behalf is selfish.

If we object, it isn't on somebody else to show up and save us, it's on us.

If you aren't willing to make the moves yourself, who the fuck are you to ask somebody else to.

Nobody is coming to save us, folks. It's either us, me and you, or it's nobody.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago

The cavalry's not coming. It's just us.

[–] SPOOSER@lemmy.today 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't trust anyone enough for something to actually be done. Buy guns, buy 3d Printers, learn to make clothing, prepate your homesteads, prepare for isolation and be ready to lean on and support your neighbors.

Be the best you can be, make good relationships with those around you, and brace yourselves . It's the only thing I can realistically think I alone can do for me, my family, and my community.

Is it a doomer view? I don't think so. I like to have hope that my vote can fix something. I like to think my protests are heard and considered. But at the end of the day I have to focus on doing what I actually can.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Isolation really is an American mentality but it's not particularly great for actually striking out. If you want to atop things from getting worse Collectivist activities and thinking is your best chance.

Reach out to the people who are already doing stuff. If you have a union or a political action group, go to it and start organizing. If someone has already started organizing then join them and be subordinate. Find people who understand democratic systems and collective action and offer your time. In fighting is the luxury of peacetime so learn to do that which is not your own exact process. Set aside differences and petty disagreement and work to mutual benefit.

Learn the Roberts rules of order or how your local and state governments function and utilize channels that exist. If you have a gardening or farmers market society reach out and looking at replacing your lawn for gardens and pool with like minded neighbours. Learn first aid and stock a kit. Train your body to be fit and learn self defense. Prepare yourself to be disobedient on someone else's behalf.

Your votes at a federal level are no longer being considered but will your protest be toothless? If you are feeling doom, reach out and find hope in solidarity.

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[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

To those claiming ... that the election was not tampered with

I will agree that there was targeted voter suppression, targeted registration purges, and Russian propaganda. But all of this has been around for many elections. It's wrong that we have to live with this in the US, but it's already been challenged in court, largely unsuccessfully. So we do have to live with it, until it can be fixed by a legislature that actually works for the people.

Even if you could prove voting machine tampering sufficient to change the election, there's still the problem that 77 million voters chose catastrophe. You can't possibly prove that this was off by an order of magnitude. We have to face the reality that there is an excess of bad voters, and a shortage of good candidates.

[–] PetteriSkaffari@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

In a democracy, however flawed it may be, politics are still the result of a large part of the population's will. Which is strongly influenced by propaganda of course, and without much thought of all the consequences that it may have, but still. Protest against these politics can come in many forms, depending on how strongly people are affected by it, never mind how exhausted people think they might be.

Then there's also the military, does anybody here have any insight how they feel about the recent political changes that have been carried through?

[–] Theonetheycall1845@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I would love to know how military leaders feel about this. I feel in my heart of hearts they would not go against their people but I also realize how naive it is to feel this way. All in all, I guess we'll find out soon. God bless America except for Preaisent Elon and pussy boy Trump

[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Every suppressed vote is as fraudulent as any fake vote.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It seems pretty evident that the election was outright stolen, and I have a hard time believing nobody in power suspected something that many of us immediately called, not with the mountains of evidence that’s been stacking up for months, years even. So why didn’t they do anything? Why did they wait until Trump was sworn in to even talk about it?

No, dems just did a piss-poor job of motivating people. I voted for her, but she wasn't offering much other than an alternative to him. Same as ever.

Repubs motivate their people with lies and slander, but it's still motivational for hate-mongers. Don't sound like they did when Biden won. It wasn't stolen. Dems failed us.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I agreed with you completely until last week when I read this

Yeah Democrats suck, Kamala was a shit candidate, etc. But the election was quite literally stolen. Over two million mail-in ballots trashed. If you are black, your ballot was nine times more likely to get trashed than a white person's.

Please take the time to read. The author lists their credentials at the end.

[–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Thanks for sharing this! I added the link to my OG comment.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

It can be both. Pissweak corpodems don't inspire enough people for a landslide, and landslides are much harder to rig.

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This is the most frustrating thing about this administration: They are showing that you CAN do things. Democrats sit on their asses for four years, and Trump did all this in less than a month. Democrats better get their steel toe fucking boots on and kick these conservatives fucks in the sick.

ANYTHING LESS AND I SAY FUCK YOU

I am fucking sick of trying to do the right thing and GETTING FUCKING NOTHING.

Sorry, got a little pissed there lol

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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago (7 children)

In 2016, people thought that Trump was the problem. That if Trump left, we could have civility restored to the electoral process. Defeating Trump won't solve the problem because he isn't it - it is the electorate. The voters need to SEE what will happen when this or that occur.

Deport all the immigrants, see the damage that brings, then bring them back with legal protections this time.

Cancel all the science, see how far behind we get, then bring it back with all the funding to make the next moonshot.

Get rid of all fogien aid, watch as our global power dimishes, the vote to bring it back with a clear and true purpose other than empire building.

The people don't know WHY these things are important, and are unwilling to listen or learn. Thus, the only teacher is to experience. But to quote Trump: "There will be some pain" when doing it.

[–] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

The nonvoters might learn, but not the brainwashed consuming Fox News - they'll blame the left once again.

[–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I don't disagree with you and I would love it if people had to experience the consequences of their poor decisions and learn hard lessons that they've been evading for years. The problem is that millions of innocents are and will be caught in the crosshairs. This is a matter of life or death for many people who did not vote for him and it is unconscionable to allow all those people to die just so a bunch of loud racist hillbillies with lead poisoning can learn a lesson.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Fair, I just see no other way of swaying minds without consequences. We tried 4 years of shielding people from Trump's baser urges, and we ended with thousands of people dying each day to COVID. Then 4 year later THEY VOTED HIM BACK IN.

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[–] MY_ANUS_IS_BLEEDING@lemm.ee 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

100%. Even after he leaves office, is anyone confident that the country will collectively go "well that was embarrassing, anyway, back to normality now!"

[–] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How, at this point, could anyone assume that in 4 years Trump will just "leave the office"?

[–] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

If voting will be fixed as Trump promised, a different puppet could be installed. This would increase the appearance of legitimacy.

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[–] StarshotJohn@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Thanks for this. Anytime I talk about these things to folks outside the US, it's always some reply about "your country chose this!" And how, regardless of how I voted, I still somehow let this happen. It's super frustrating and disheartening. Now, it is the cool thing to be super anti-American. This country has a huge population of people who are terrified and strictly opposed to what is happening. Once you decide: "Fuck the US," you're turning your back on millions of Americans that did not want this to happen and did what they could do stop it. We need help in our resistance. Please don't abandon us.

[–] WagyuSneakers@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Non Americans don't understand and assume we have the same liberties as them.

"Just do die in the street and achieve nothing" Isn't the compelling moral argument many Canadians seem to think it is.

[–] CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

Either go protest and get shot or you clearly asked for your rights to be stripped away feels like a slap in the face for anyone who is directly affected by the things that is happening and is extremely demotivating. It feels like someone saying that somehow it was your individual fault that states that you are not in did not vote the way you would have liked them too.

[–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I hear you. Americans in general aren't our (Canada's) enemy, but your President is, along with those who voted for him (and to a lesser extent, those who did not vote), and I have much less sympathy for the "leopards ate my face" crowd during Trump's second term than his first, since he made it very well known what kind of charlatan he was.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

That president is the enemy of every single American worth less than a billion dollars, unfortunately there's a solid chunk of Americans who seem to think they're going to wake up and become billionaires. But please know we don't want any of this stupid bullshit

[–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I hear you, friend. Just remember, they don't live here. They haven't experienced the calculated dismantling of our education system. They haven't seen the meteoric rise of Christian nationalism. They don't know how sick and tired the general population is. Social safety nets are more robust in their countries, so they don't have nearly the same number of racist, angry, lead addled boomers managing to gain a chokehold on every aspect of our daily lives.

But we do live here, we have experienced it, and you are not alone.

[–] CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think people outside the US realize how hard people have fought to stop this from happening. How this was a slow decent that people have been doing their best to prevent for literal decades and the people in power just kept letting it happen. I am not saying that the democrats are as bad as the republicans but they have been complacent in letting the GOP destroy all the checks and balances that were available to them in the past. They should have blocked the SC picks but did not because it would have been bad form.

[–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

I agree with you. Hopefully we get to see the electoral college and two party system abolished in our lifetime, *in favor of direct democracy, ranked choice voting, and a parliamentary party system that actually reflects the needs of the people.

*I can't believe I had to add that.

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -2 points 17 hours ago

That statement is practically begging to be monkey-pawed

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[–] RootAccess@lemmynsfw.com 20 points 1 day ago (8 children)

You did choose this through decades of inaction, apathy, laziness, fecklessness. The world kept telling you that something was wrong in your "democracy" and the canned response was, "Haha, not in America - land of the free, home of the brave!" Then one day, with your rights stripped away you all finally say, "Not my fault!" It was, it is, and it will be solely Americans fault. And the longer it takes you to own it and fix-your-shit the more costly it's going to be. As always. Imagine how much easier it would have been had you just mass protested after Citizen's United, for example.

No one is coming to save you. The people who have been standing up to fix it couldn't motivate the rest of you to get off the couch. My suggestion is to stop parroting excuses like, "We are too exhausted to do it", and do it. Look to history for examples on how, and for what real exhaustion looks like. The first steps are usually meeting with organizations already doing something and ask what you need to do.

"But I'll lose my job!" If 50% of the country loses there job then there will be a lot of job opportunities. "But my family!" Ok, then sit there and let your fear keep you from action. Keep waiting for someone to save you. Watch how bad it gets as Americas military falls under the control of a facist regime. Watch as your educational system becomes even more of an indoctrination engine. I wonder which, if any, heinous act by your government finally motivates you enough. The kids-in-cages wasn't enough, I wonder what could be? Possibly nothing.

"Home of the brave". Fucking ha ha ha. "Land of the free". Sure. I have no sympathy for people just waking up now. Where the fuck have you been?

[–] trashboat@midwest.social 33 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This take is lazy and offensive to everyone who truly didn’t have a choice. I’ve been in school this entire time because growing up everyone told me I could be whatever I wanted if I worked hard. Now that I’ve done that and I’m almost graduated, I’m looking around at a world that is completely unrecognizable from before and hope for everyone my age is at an all-time low. Please enlighten me, as someone who has only been a member of the civic process for less than half a decade, how the fuck is this my fault?

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[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 29 points 1 day ago

The decades of inaction should be largely heaped at the feet of Baby Boomers, who have sucked up and hollowed out the vast majority of American prosperity.

Everyone else has been carried along in the wake of their outsized cohort's rampage.

[–] whalebiologist@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

I know it probably feels comforting to claim the moral high ground and say "I told you so" but you're just letting your own weakness infect the people on your side. Everyone has moral turning points in all of their lives and it's a futile and stupid gesture to say your entry point is better than someone elses. Let's focus our hatred on the people who deserve it: billionaires.

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[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It wasn't stolen and it wasn't forced on you. Depressingly enough, turkeys, it seems, do sometimes vote for Christmas. I totally agree with you about the awfulness of the situation but - he told you how he was going to govern, he told you what he was going to do and then he won the election that enables him to do it. You did, as a nation, choose this.

I don't know how any nation state can really intervene on that basis. Its not like Hitler steam rolling Poland or Putin annexing the Crimea - this isn't an invasion or a hostile takeover, it's an elected President carrying out the will of the people that voted for him.

[–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (13 children)

I'm not going to argue with you, I get enough of that on reddit. But there is a literal mountain of evidence, including their own statements and sketchy behavior, hard data, unsecured voting machines, various voter suppression tactics, ballots that were tossed, code that was published online months (possibly more than a year) before the election, and one of the twerps currently taking over the treasury wrote code that can falsify ballots while he was an intern for Musk.

Also, it is like Hitler, they're using the same exact playbook, and while there are some key differences there is no arguing that this is the exact reason NATO exists. Justin Trudeau could invoke article 4 for threats of invasion. Someone from our government should still be able to invoke article 5. These international agreements exist because when the highest power in the nation is compromised, we need outside help.

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