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65% of U.S. adults say the way the president is elected should be changed so that the winner of the popular vote nationwide wins the presidency.

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[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As opposed to our current system, where 80% of states don't matter because they're not swing states.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What do you mean? They do matter? A democrat doesn't campaign in California not because it doesn't matter but because they know most Californians will already vote for them, same with Republicans in Texas

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They don't matter because most states use winner take all for their EC votes. Every additional vote past 50% is absolutely worthless, as is any vote cast in a state where there's no chance to hit 50%.

With a popular vote system, every vote would still be worth something. It would be worth a politician's while to campaign in California because even if they'd normally get 60%, as it's still worth it to drive higher turnout or try to increase that to 65%. It'd be worth going to a hostile state because a vote is a vote. It doesn't matter where it comes from; they'd all have equal worth.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Every vote past 50% just then wouldn't matter at a national level. Yes it would increase the total number of votes that voted for the winning candidate, but it would also centralize power more into cities.

[–] nxfsi@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

States with more diversity of opinion have more say. Seems reasonable to me.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why should states have more say? We elect the president nationally. It's not a state election, or it shouldn't be.

[–] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Because we have 50 of them and not 350 million. It's a simple and effective way to get a weighted average.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why should there be a 'weighted average' for a federal election?

[–] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because there's a lot of people that don't live in cities and they need different things from the people that live in cities.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, and that's why there are state and local elections. We're talking about voting for president.

[–] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Literally every thread you have to argue with me. Are you doing that with everyone or just me?

Aside from that, there's things federal government can legislate against that the state will absolutely have no say in. I'm more left wing in my politics but guns, despite being a fundamental right seems most fought against by the left and fought for by the right.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't even notice usernames most of the time. Maybe I "have to" argue with you because you say a lot of disputable things. Turn down the paranoia a few notches.

[–] gaylord_fartmaster@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You have an average of a post/comment to Lemmy every 15 minutes over 3 months. You most certainly do not "have to" spend every waking moment of your day on here arguing with people. It's unhealthy.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When did I say I had to do anything? And if your job doesn't give you lots of free time to kill, that's not my problem.

Also, do you think I post when I'm asleep?

[–] gaylord_fartmaster@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also, do you think I post when I'm asleep?

Actually no, I don't think you post while you're asleep, that's an excellent point.

When I take away 8 hours a day you would spend sleeping, it's actually less than 10 minutes between posts on average.

Thanks for correcting my oversight.

I'm also working right now, I just don't spend an unhealthy amount of time using Lemmy.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And you got your medical degree from where?

I mean since you're talking about health... by the way, speaking of health, I'm semi-disabled because of it, which is another reason I post so much. So I'm already not healthy.

Not that you give a shit. You're not actually interested in me beyond telling me how awful I am.

[–] gaylord_fartmaster@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't need a medical degree to know that spending all day long arguing with people online is not healthy, other people with medical degrees have already studied and proven that.

I also don't need a medical degree to know that your mental health can decline from an unhealthy behavior even if you already have another ailment (or disability even), not sure where you got that from. It's not like there are only two states of "healthy" and "unhealthy".

I didn't say you're awful, I said you're engaging in an unhealthy behavior.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Guess it's good I don't spend "all day long arguing with people online." That would be false.

And, again, I am unhealthy. I have trigeminal neuralgia, (aka the suicide disease) and, due to an ulcer, I haven't had a morsel of food in my stomach for five weeks now. So frankly, the fact that I haven't thrown myself in front of a bus right now is pretty fucking mentally healthy thank you very much.

Now, any more pop psychiatry or are you done?

By the way, you didn't have to say I'm awful. I can read between the lines. I guess you think I'm stupid as well as unhealthy.

[–] gaylord_fartmaster@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think I implied either of those things, but it's fine, I'll be done now. I don't want to be an enabler for you any more than I already have here.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You absolutely implied them. And your being intentionally obtuse about it is pretty fucking transparent. But good. I'm glad you won't "enable" me any more because I don't need to deal with people being jerks to me.