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"[...] what we’re witnessing now is the systematic dismantling of this entire architecture of peace—not through external defeat, but through internal surrender"

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"This" crisis? Where the fuck were you motherfuckers eight years ago? How the fuck did we get BACK here?

Living under this bullshit is insane enough but having everyone be like "oh gosh this is bad, isn't it" is doubly insanerating. YES. WE KNEW THIS ALREADY. WHY ARE WE HERE AGAIN.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Where were they two decades ago? Oh yeah, passing the Patriot Act to trample on our rights and authorizing the Iraq War to kill hundreds of thousands abroad. Now they uphold Bush as a shining example of a good republican. Honestly, with all the shit the US has been doing to the world over the decades, maybe it eating itself is not actually a crisis.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I get it. You're coming up in the equivalent of GHWBush and the first egregious Gulf War. Democrats are ineffective at best, incompetent and buffonish most of the time, and often jump the fence and do the exact opposite of what you want them to do sometimes. Particularly when there's a lot of flag-waving going on.

But I'm here to tell you it's not like that now. Back then, or even in the Gee Dubz horror years, there was no AOC or The Squad or Bernie or (well, yes there was Bernie but he got no press. That's a whole other story.) and there sure as hell wasn't real-time communication between actual Democrats as to what the fuck the party thinks it's doing.

I'm saying that we're pissing away a huge battleship, already gassed up and outfitted, because a bunch of russia-influenced twits who just put down Das Kapital and have less than zero experience with the machine that is the US Government, thinks Democrats bad.

[–] hark@lemmy.world -1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

AOC, The Squad, and Bernie are all still a tiny minority in the party and when they speak up in any significant way, they get punished for it: https://apnews.com/article/congress-house-censure-resolution-tlaib-8085189047a4c40f2d44ada4604aa076

Sure, Bernie can repeatedly talk about going after the oligarchs/the 1%, striving for free healthcare, and so on, but democrats know that he is not going to achieve his goals. Tlaib, in speaking about israel, was speaking on an issue where more direct action could easily be taken and so "centrists" felt threatened. Similarly, Bernie received the most opposition from the democratic party when he ran in the 2016 and 2020 primaries.

If progressives start gaining more power, they will get stomped down, as we could see by democrats making efforts to get rid of them or prevent them from winning in primaries: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/15/politics/progressive-democratic-house-candidates-primaries/index.html

Of course democrats are better than republicans (an extremely low bar to clear), but they're not the huge battleship you frame them as. They do not fight for us unless it's on issues that do not threaten the interests of the ultrawealthy. This is why they will endlessly talk about reproductive and LGBT rights, but even then democrats will still let those rights stay in a precarious position so that they can keep using them as talking points. For example: https://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/politics/15abortion.html

But even as Mr. Obama has delighted abortion rights advocates, he has dialed back some earlier ambitions. In 2007, he promised Planned Parenthood that “the first thing I’d do as president” would be to sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which effectively codifies Roe v. Wade. Now he says the bill is “not my highest legislative priority,” as he put it at a recent news conference.