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"[...] what we’re witnessing now is the systematic dismantling of this entire architecture of peace—not through external defeat, but through internal surrender"

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"This" crisis? Where the fuck were you motherfuckers eight years ago? How the fuck did we get BACK here?

Living under this bullshit is insane enough but having everyone be like "oh gosh this is bad, isn't it" is doubly insanerating. YES. WE KNEW THIS ALREADY. WHY ARE WE HERE AGAIN.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Where were they two decades ago? Oh yeah, passing the Patriot Act to trample on our rights and authorizing the Iraq War to kill hundreds of thousands abroad. Now they uphold Bush as a shining example of a good republican. Honestly, with all the shit the US has been doing to the world over the decades, maybe it eating itself is not actually a crisis.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I get it. You're coming up in the equivalent of GHWBush and the first egregious Gulf War. Democrats are ineffective at best, incompetent and buffonish most of the time, and often jump the fence and do the exact opposite of what you want them to do sometimes. Particularly when there's a lot of flag-waving going on.

But I'm here to tell you it's not like that now. Back then, or even in the Gee Dubz horror years, there was no AOC or The Squad or Bernie or (well, yes there was Bernie but he got no press. That's a whole other story.) and there sure as hell wasn't real-time communication between actual Democrats as to what the fuck the party thinks it's doing.

I'm saying that we're pissing away a huge battleship, already gassed up and outfitted, because a bunch of russia-influenced twits who just put down Das Kapital and have less than zero experience with the machine that is the US Government, thinks Democrats bad.

[–] hark@lemmy.world -1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

AOC, The Squad, and Bernie are all still a tiny minority in the party and when they speak up in any significant way, they get punished for it: https://apnews.com/article/congress-house-censure-resolution-tlaib-8085189047a4c40f2d44ada4604aa076

Sure, Bernie can repeatedly talk about going after the oligarchs/the 1%, striving for free healthcare, and so on, but democrats know that he is not going to achieve his goals. Tlaib, in speaking about israel, was speaking on an issue where more direct action could easily be taken and so "centrists" felt threatened. Similarly, Bernie received the most opposition from the democratic party when he ran in the 2016 and 2020 primaries.

If progressives start gaining more power, they will get stomped down, as we could see by democrats making efforts to get rid of them or prevent them from winning in primaries: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/15/politics/progressive-democratic-house-candidates-primaries/index.html

Of course democrats are better than republicans (an extremely low bar to clear), but they're not the huge battleship you frame them as. They do not fight for us unless it's on issues that do not threaten the interests of the ultrawealthy. This is why they will endlessly talk about reproductive and LGBT rights, but even then democrats will still let those rights stay in a precarious position so that they can keep using them as talking points. For example: https://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/politics/15abortion.html

But even as Mr. Obama has delighted abortion rights advocates, he has dialed back some earlier ambitions. In 2007, he promised Planned Parenthood that “the first thing I’d do as president” would be to sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which effectively codifies Roe v. Wade. Now he says the bill is “not my highest legislative priority,” as he put it at a recent news conference.

[–] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I hope that some day the GOP will be like the Nazi and the Confederates. We will not have their flags hung over schools, or wear their emblems openly in public.

[–] Azal@pawb.social 6 points 22 hours ago

I hope that some day the GOP will be like the Nazi and the Confederates.

How to say you didn't live in the United States South without saying you didn't live in the South.

[–] xyzzy@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

But before they became so reviled we fought wars to kill as many of them as we could.

1860s 1940s 2020s

On schedule?

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Which is a shame for what was the party of Lincoln that literally fought for abolition.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Republicans are not the fucking "party of Lincoln" and haven't been since Nixon's "Southern strategy." Stop repeating their lies.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 1 points 1 day ago

Note that I used the past tense for a reason. It's not a lie, they just became fascists.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Something they like to remind you of while openly felating a nazi.

[–] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

The party of Lincoln was out there waving confederate flags at NASCAR events and protesting the black girl who stared in the “little mermaid”…how odd….

Anyway.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The thing about the confeds is that there were multiple generations that were brought up to revere them in very large swathes of the US. And that’s a core part of how the fuck we got here in the first place.

[–] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Interesting fact… If you go through Department of War records, there are no medals of any type issued to Soldiers from the south. Wanna know why? Cause they were never part of the US Military, they were a rebellion that attempted to change, attack, and suppress the law of the land using violence and force.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, of course. But at the same time there are shitloads of statues of and military bases named after confederate heroes in the south. Official recognition is not the same as colloquial and societal recognition, and the confeds sure as shit had that since reconstruction was kneecapped following Lincoln’s assassination.

[–] Get_Off_My_WLAN@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

At least the names of all the bases named after Confederates were changed a few years ago. West Point also renamed things that were named after Lee (which only existed because for the sake of Reconciliation after the war).

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 3 points 1 day ago

Trump changed fort Bragg back to its old name, although officially it's not named after that Bragg this time.

You know Trump is changing a ton of them back, right?

[–] Nursery2787@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

lol what? Confederates are very open about “their heritage”

[–] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, but If i saw a student wearing a shirt with a confederate flag I would send them away from my class.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

We must rise up against the republican traitor filth!

[–] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

That entirely depends on the historians that survive.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Like a frog in slowly heating water

I hate this false metaphor. Unlike humans, frogs aren't stupid and will hop out when it gets too hot.

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

We just may do it in manageable waves...