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While this is just a theory for the most part it is kind of interesting to think about. What if the double empathy problem is really just people who socialize like Neanderthals

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[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (3 children)

saying people with ASD socialize like Neanderthals is problematic because phrasing it like that implies they haven’t evolved past their ancient roots.

I honestly can't tell if this is a troll, a meta-joke about people with autism taking things too literally, or an actually serious take.

Saying Neanderthal DNA could be a potential cause (not even a full cause, potentially just a partial cause) doesn't have anything to do with being "unevolved". It just means a slight difference in DNA. It means tiny changes in DNA might be causing tiny changes in social abilities. That doesn't say they're unevolved or bad or inferior in any way... just different.

[–] BussyGyatt@feddit.org 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This perspective handwaves the fact that "Neanderthal" is a commonly used pejorative term precisely for someone who is/acts "unevolved" or "primitive." The article does a good job of not saying autists socialize like Neanderthals, and the commenter you're replying to is wrong for suggesting the article did (I frankly wonder whether they actually read the article).

That said, the concern of linking autism to 'Neanderthalic' traits is, for the reason I just explained, a legitimate one, and the concern should not be simply dismissed as being unintentional. I mean, do what I suspect they did and just read the headline- It puts autism and the commonly pejorative term Neanderthal causally together in the same sentence. That's what a majority of people are taking from this just judging from the ratio.

In other words, this association would be stigmatic for an already stigmatized group. Perhaps there's some less stigmatizing language we could find to express this. OTOH, there's the risk of the euphemism treadmill effect. OTOOH, there's such a thing as reclaiming language from stigmatism, as I like to do very intentionally with the commonly pejorative term "autist."

IDK, language is complicated.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Haters gonna hate I suppose

Next you will try to tell me that dinosaurs don't exist because that's a derogatory term.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Language is complex, as is intention. Such as: if you intend to take offense at a perceived slight, you will find one no matter what.

You want it to mean something, and therefore to you it does. That does not mean it was intended or perceived that way before you tried to make it so.

We can all assume people are out to get us, and take every opportunity to take offense to it, or we can get over ourselves and not project our own insecurities on the actions of everyone around us.

[–] kat@orbi.camp 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Am I the only one seeing this reply as dismissive? What's up with this "is ur problem if you see it like that" boomer mentality. Empathy goes a long way. Especially when the other poster was so eloquent with their reply.

[–] SgtAStrawberry@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think it is the evolution of the " it's just a joke bro" mentality.

[–] Incogni@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

I think they didn't refer to the article, but to the text OP added:

While this is just a theory for the most part it is kind of interesting to think about. What if the double empathy problem is really just people who socialize like Neanderthals

Which, in my opinion, is worded a bit unfortunately.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Thank you. I had the same thought but lacked the energy to put it properly into words.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Took me four or five starts to get my thoughts in order, and honestly it still doesn't sound fully coherent. Oi