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This “adult” conversation is coming from a lifetime of Cold War I & Cold War II anti-communist propaganda. You’re not engaging with the material presented; you’re just repeating your preconceptions.
It’s demonstrably false that they’re even very -ish. The US government was never not captured by the bourgeoisie, because the US was born of a bourgeois revolution[1]. The wealthy, white, male, land-owning, largely slave-owning Founding Fathers constructed a bourgeois state with “checks and balances” against the “tyranny of the majority”. It was never meant to represent the majority—the working class—and it never has, despite eventually allowing women and non-whites (at least those not disenfranchised by the carceral system) to vote. BBC: [Princeton & Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
The "material" presented was a series of articles citing the same study that polled the citizens of the US and China to ask if they thought their government was democratic. This does not change the meaning of the word, but rather outlines the general ignorance of those using it.
You make an excellent point about the US system, though I think we agree that the US is a shit model for democracy regardless.
I always expect chauvinism from white Canadians talking about democracy but I always hope y'all will be self aware enough to not flaunt it in the middle of your Concerns™.
Bourgeois democracy is no democracy at all, thank fuck they don't want to adopt it more closely. The Chinese people would have already been sold out by politicians in the pocket of big corporations, and then westerners would decry how it's just one of those inevitable things but at least they have their freedom.
In case you're ever actually interested in learning something instead of concern trolling: https://redsails.org/xi-on-democracy/