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[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think the better question is why a third of Americans didn’t bother to vote against this.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Voter suppresssion was a significant tie breaker. Also keep in mind that a lot of people get shafted by both parties and have given up.

I don't blame them.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also keep in mind that a lot of people get shafted by both parties and have given up.

I don't blame them.

I don't blame them for feeling shafted, but they do share the responsibility for the current state of things.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

A very significant portion of those who didnt vote were just people that couldn't be bothered. And another significant portion were those who just abstained because Harris wasn't tough enough on Isreal, and I'm sure those people are happy with that decision now. Palestine will be free any day now, surely. Yes there is a lot of voter suppression, but things were way too close with a lot of people not voting to claim that that made all the difference. They weren't ALL disenfranchised. Plenty just made a choice not to vote.

So... I do blame them.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

centrists support genocide and then blame everyone but themselves when genocide support isn't a winning issue outside of their wing of the party.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I'd have much rather had someone who was actually progressive, or at minimum, not supportive of Isreal's genocide. But that wasn't an option, was it? Harris and Biden's positions on Isreal were bullshit. But so was Trumps. At best they were a wash on that subject. And Trump was objectively worse in every other regard.

People that do not live in reality, that do not understand that under our system you often have to vote for the lesser of two evils to save yourself from the greater of them, are children that need to grow the fuck up.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago

I voted for harris. You don't have to convince me. Also, the election is over and you don't have to carry water for her anymore.

Just because centrists got their only wish and we didn't have a choice to vote against genocide, that doesn't mean we don't get to gripe about it.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

things were way too close to claim that that made all the difference.

Votes being close is why voter suppression and not voting for Harris because she wasn't good enough to use as a vote against Trump had such a big impact.

But in any democracy there will be a significant portion of voters who either aren't engaged or are unwilling to stand with the available options. You can blame them, but you should really be blaming the Trump voters.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You can blame them

I do.

but you should really be blaming the Trump voters.

I do.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Voter suppresssion was a significant tie breaker. Also keep in mind that a lot of people get shafted by both parties and have given up.

I don’t blame them.

To be honest, I would be more inclined to accept this if literally every state in the country hadn't shifted rightward, including deep blue states that not only didn't engage in voter suppression but also aimed to expand voting rights.

California of all states stared looking competitive. There was no voter suppression going on there.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So you don't accept that voter suppression is an overall issue in other states because California is expanding voter access?

ok

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

50 out of 50 states shifted to the right for one reason or another. Voter suppression has nothing to do with that.

You can either blame the voter suppression boogeyman or you can try to figure out why even deep blue states with no voter suppression started shifting rightward. Whatever makes you feel better.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

It is a combination of things, voter suppression being one of them and a common tie breaker in battleground states.

When there is a shift, voter suppression is a common denominator on flipping close states. I'm just talking about one part of the overall issue, not saying it is the entire issue.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 20 hours ago

Since California was your chosen state to target:

Trump got less votes this time than before, the Dems lost way more, and still beat him by a pretty decent margin

What this tells you should be pretty fuckin obvious, because it's been said loudly since before the election: the Dems ran a dog shit campaign that even their usual supporters hated. Courting the Cheney's was a mistake