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The instances being used are

  • lemmy.doesnotexist.club
  • chinese.lol

Here is an example of the coordinated downvoting https://hackertalks.com/post/8692093

Of course its a controversial user who got someone angry enough to automated downvoting @DonaldJMusk@lemmy.today

But you can see every post they make gets 53ish downvotes from these two instances, plus some organic ones after a few hours.

Current downvoting Accounts

bot-list

LightIsland@chinese.lol MagnificentRow@chinese.lol FondKnowledge@chinese.lol SillyTowel95@chinese.lol HelplessDear@chinese.lol SomberBrain@chinese.lol InexperiencedCloset@chinese.lol NecessaryPerson11@chinese.lol ClosedEmployment@chinese.lol CoarseHair420@chinese.lol BurlyChampionship49@chinese.lol ZigzagNatural@chinese.lol QuestionableDirt@chinese.lol ProudDeparture@lemmy.doesnotexist.club JoyousDouble@chinese.lol UnitedPatience@chinese.lol MajesticArea@lemmy.doesnotexist.club SinfulConference@chinese.lol MoralDivide96@chinese.lol LeadingCarry65@chinese.lol FrillyOpinion38@lemmy.doesnotexist.club LimitedDiscount49@lemmy.doesnotexist.club ForkedScreen@chinese.lol MediumChemistry13@chinese.lol xXxLawfulGrassxXx@lemmy.doesnotexist.club VisibleSentence@chinese.lol AcidicLawyer90@lemmy.doesnotexist.club PriceySink14@lemmy.doesnotexist.club ExcellentBeach@chinese.lol VivaciousNews@lemmy.doesnotexist.club LankyIndependent32@lemmy.doesnotexist.club SpeedyFault@chinese.lol ConcreteHall89@lemmy.doesnotexist.club WorthyPoint12@lemmy.doesnotexist.club SurprisedAdult99@chinese.lol FlashyCrack@lemmy.doesnotexist.club MasculineBeing@chinese.lol RichWeird@lemmy.doesnotexist.club DryCash97@lemmy.doesnotexist.club AuthorizedChair@chinese.lol SlimKiss@lemmy.doesnotexist.club AromaticRoof78@lemmy.doesnotexist.club BewitchedInterview@lemmy.doesnotexist.club ImaginaryDraw@lemmy.doesnotexist.club PertinentGround@chinese.lol SinfulAssumption@lemmy.doesnotexist.club AwkwardAnybody30@lemmy.doesnotexist.club UnwillingRestaurant@lemmy.doesnotexist.club InsubstantialOven@lemmy.doesnotexist.club

A individual user airing their personal biases and manipulating lemmy isn't good for the community, regardless of how you feel about their target. This is a really bad thing (tm)

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[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Lemmy currently allows mods to see downvotes, so they can fight brigading on top of admins

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 week ago

Visibility is a good thing.

[–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You mean admins, right? I cannot see downvotes on the community I mod.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Use https://tesseract.dubvee.org/

What it does look like (there were no downvotes here, but they would appear as well)

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That’s pretty neat to have as a mod. But I don’t think it should be readily available for any average Joe.

Sometimes people are looking for anything to get angry about, myself included. And I really don’t want to get into a slap fight with someone whose dick pic I downvoted.

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The data itself is public, clients just don't show it. Imo clients should add that capability, the lack of privacy is better than the illusion of privacy.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's not exactly public, IIRC? Like, admins/mods have access, so it's not private by any means, but I wouldn't really call it public.

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4967

Due to the way federation works, it is public. Anyone could spin up an instance and make a tool to make votes public.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's what I meant by admins/mods, thus I still think my point is still valid: not private, but not exactly public.

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 2 points 1 week ago

I think it would be better to make it clear that people's votes can be seen by anyone with a little technical skill, better than hiding that fact.

[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Anyone can set up a server, make themselves an admin, and federate with other servers. That's what makes it decentralized.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago

Indeed, which is why it's limited to mods

[–] DonaldJMusk@lemmy.today -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

How do I use this for different instances? I'm thinking of starting an instance. Is tesseract good for any instance or just dubvee?

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 week ago

It can connect to any instance