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Dumb TV+(mini)PC is the way
Is it even possible to buy a dumb TV any more?
Keep the smart TV off the network and the difference is usually minimal.
Still takes a while to boot compared to a dumb panel.
From standby isn't that noticeable. Definitely a bit of a difference in cold-boot times though.
Plenty of them will auto connect to what ever open network. So you can't guarantee that. Or various exploits that could exist in the wifi stack. It's not the same as buying a "dumb" tv.
That is what we call 'breaching hacking laws'. In other words, if you catch your TVs doing that, lawsuits can be brought against the supplier.
No it isn't, there's no hacking involved in connecting to a wifi network. Plus different jurisdictiona might see it differently anyway. And good luck with your lawsuits against mega corps.
This isn't some hypothetical, this is something smart TVs are known to be doing, right now.
Source on that? Not saying I don't believe you, but an article on the topic would help us know what behavior we're talking about here.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210601000527/https://www.reddit.com/r/security/comments/bpjky4/worried_about_your_smart_tv_listening_in_simply/
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25275753
https://web.archive.org/web/20210828035115/https://forum.developer.samsung.com/t/if-you-choose-to-not-connect-your-samsung-smart-tv-to-wifi-it-will-secretly-connect-to-your-neighbours-passwordless-wifi/7926
Most western jurisdictions define hacking as accessing computer resources without permission. So yes, at least in the west, such behaviour definitely counts as hacking. Doesn't matter if there's no encryption breaking or brute forcing going on. If it's connecting to a network that it doesn't have permission to be on, it is breaking the law.
It is possible to get entire products pulled from stores if they are breaching hacking laws.
Look at commercial monitors. They're the screen without the bloat.
I think there's a few models that are not really advertised, don't know them though.
Seems unattractive for manufacturers since apparently 50% of income on TVs is user data.
No.
But if you don't connect your smart tv to anything how is it smart.
Yes, as long as you never connect your TV to the internet, then it is for all intents and purposes a "dumb tv."
Thats what I'm currently doing but is it even possible to buy a new dumb TV nowadays?