cross-posted from: https://metawire.eu/post/61363

The right-wing billionaire’s platform has recently lost about 10 percent of its European user base.

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Echo chambers are okay, no even necessary to stay mentally sane, as long as people share their honest takes without large scale agendas and manipulation.

You're using a different definition of "echo chamber" than I've ever heard of. What you're describing is groups of people sharing opinions that can differ with one another in good faith discussion. If differing views are being introduced its, by definition, not an echo chamber.

An echo chamber is when only one set of opinions are voiced, and all responses are in support of that opinion, hence the "echo" portion of the term.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

What you're describing is groups of people sharing opinions that can differ with one another in good faith discussion.

The problem is, this is what fashies consider an “echo chamber”. The definition itself is not applied in good faith by certain cohorts. For example, people having good-faith debates are “liberal” echo chambers, because not toeing the alt-right fascist line is never considered to be good faith.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

The problem is, this is what fashies consider an “echo chamber”. The definition itself is not applied in good faith by certain cohorts.

Fashies also have vastly different perverted definitions for all kinds of things like "freedom" and "peace", but I'm not adopting their definitions of those either. I'm not sure where you're going with this unless you're saying @tfm@europe.pub is a fascist, but I don't think you are saying that.

[–] tfm@europe.pub 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

If we are throwing around big words, we have to be precise though.

Echo chambers always existed and we are in them all the time. A few hundreds or thousands years ago, we lived in small groups. Those definitely had different opinions, but overall had the same values. Those were echo chambers. Now, where those bad? No, you want people to be in line on foundational topics.

But if you start to manipulate these opinions on the ground level, you're going to divide people.

Global warming? Is it really that bad? Migrants? Aren't the stealing our jobs? LGBTQ+? Aren't they just harassing our kids and women? Hitler? Was he really that bad?????

Do you get what I mean? Echo chambers aren't the problem. They always existed. It's bad influence that turns everything to shit.