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[–] drewdarko@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

This is an obvious bad faith argument.

“Let’s keep burning fossil fuels as we go extinct from climate change cause I’m worried about the 0.00001% micro plastics that MIGHT be shed from an EV”

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

There's no might, tires shed microplastic particles and EVs wear out their tires faster, that's two facts.

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That strawman is the bad faith argument. They never said they want to keep burning fossil fuels.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No, they just heavily implied it lol

The whole point of the microplastics/lithium/whatever else argument is to muddy the water and make people confused about just how much better EVs are than ICE vehicles. It's the only reason it's even a thing that people talk about. It's exclusively bad faith, because it was designed that way by fossil fuel interests.

[–] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

I did not say that, lol.

[–] Elivey@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Uhh, you say .00001% that MIGHT? I think you mean: nearly twice as much because EV's go through tires nearly twice as fast, and ABSOLUTELY ARE. Microplastics are shed from tires, I don't know what makes you think they aren't. All that tire tread that is now gone on your tires when they go "bald" didn't just disappear, they shed into the air and the rain washes them down into streams.

Also fun fact, EV tire particles are even more toxic than regular tires. And regular tire particles are already one of the most toxic microplastics studied.

I work in a nano particle toxicology lab that has a pretty big focus on micro and nanoplaatics.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Respectfully, no one gives a fuck. Greenhouse gases are so much more important than microplastics, it's not even a comparison.

[–] Elivey@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just because you're ignorant of one of the most pressing pollution issues we are currently facing doesn't mean it's not important.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am very aware. It is not even in the same ballpark. The only reason it's brought up is (intentionally or not) to muddy the waters.

I support working to mitigate the issue. I understand it is a problem. I in no way support bringing it up as a point against EVs in a thread filled with disinfo and propaganda.

[–] Elivey@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You said some made up small number that you thought might be shedding off of tires. You're clearly not aware at all.

Telling you facts about EV pollution issues is not disinformation, it's quite literally the opposite.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I said no one gives a fuck. It's like trying to repair a minor leak when there's a giant gaping hole in the ship. Diverting resources to it is actively harming us.