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Was it justified that the father in Ohio ran over a cop after his son got shot? (ponder.cat)

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Story about the killing: https://abcnews.go.com/US/ohio-deputy-fatally-struck-man-son-shot-police/story?id=121438975

Breakdown of bodycam video: https://eu.cincinnati.com/story/news/2025/05/04/body-cam-review-ryan-hinton-fatal-cincinnati-police-shooting-2025/83443906007/

I don't think the chief's identification of the "gun" in the freeze frame is really beyond a reasonable doubt. I'd be fine with it if we could see the bodycam after the shooting, showing the cop going up to the kid and the gun next to him. Since if he was holding it while running, where else would it be other than roughly in the same place as that random patch of pixels?

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[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

First a clarification about justice: in this case I meant justice in the eyes of the father. What I mean by this is that most likely the officer responsible would not have been charger with any crime, would most likely not even be fired from work.

How is justice worth more than a human life?

I do not think it is, but I think you are equating the current state of violence with no violence done, and as we can read a officer killed a child. So let me ask you how is a badge worth more than a human life? We see the father on the stand waiting for his sentence? Where is the sentence for killing a literal child?

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I understand all of this. If by justice you mean punishment then as I mentioned I reject that moral framework. Harming people is bad, even the guilty. So there needs to be enough good to offset this.

This is where I’m hoping you can elaborate. I’m aware of the atrocities of the US police system. But how does that connect to this action in a moral sense? Are you saying killing this cop will make that situation better somehow? I’m not sure I see how.

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Harming people is bad, even the guilty. So there needs to be enough good to offset this.

The good is that you are stopping these people from hurting other innocents. This is not exactly the case here, because the killed cop was not at all connected to the earlier murder, I agree. But from a system point of view, protesting police brutality and police violence even with violet means is justifiable if that will prevent greater suffering caused by the police, no?

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If you could prove that, then yes. I don't really see how this event will lead to less police brutality though. Only an organized political movement could achieve that. With this action, another cop will be hired to replace the one killed and the system will go on unchanged.