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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 71 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

I think it's probably more the geopolitics, Isreal is in deep with the Military Industrial Complex, the US Intelligence Agencies, and the future plans the US has for the Middle East (namely the agreement between the US, Israel, the Saudis and India to create a trade passage through the area).

But yeah, if you look at Peter Thiel's work with Israel's intelligence R&D company Carbyne you'll find US agencies near by...

...and lots of these shadey dealing go back generations and have been done by Republican and Democrat Presidents. I think it was Obama who agreed to give Israel 38 billion to buy US weapons - an agreement which basically made the US the sole external supplier for their munitions.

I suppose beyond that it's historical, religious, and racial... But there's more to it than that.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 74 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

She explains exactly this, the meme just cut it all out.

youtube.com/watch?v=Hk1WEhO07Bw&t=759

Immediately after "racism" she also says that it's for short-term gains & geopolitical power (ie USA).

Continuous racism is what allows such a system to even/still exist.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I mean, racism might make it easier for the US to push forward with less resistance, but the relationship with Israel has always seemed more steeped in religious/geopolitics than anything else. For the US they like having a strong tie to a nation centered in the middle east, and there are some weird Christians who believe that they can enable the second coming.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Geopolitical power is the only reason, especially for the initial decision (USA could have dumped Jews in Palestine & aided them in getting citizenships in the holy land, but that's not how USA gets their marionettes - they instead pump cash intro local terrorist groups until one forms a government & takes over which nets them a sympathetic gov/county reliant on them ... at a human cost we can't even comprehend).

The religious etc reasons are purely what has been used for 80 years by the USA for their purposes (and has since entered, via USAs political power, in the core belief system of their colonies).

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Politicians' religion is money and power. Other religions are just a way to manipulate mass opinion.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is a very cynical take, but I'm going to be more cynical and say that, no, I still think that some politicians are religious wackadoodles. Power flows not to the just, and not even to the Machiavellian, but with a high degree of randomness. The world is chaos, and not even the most powerful can tame it.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 2 days ago

It took six decades to get here, I'm hard-headed, you know? I didn't want to believe it, but I can't live in denial, anymore.

The world is chaos,

Sure

and not even the most powerful can tame it.

One side makes plans and can't manage random variables; the other rides the lightening with audacity and wins. IDK how that works. If we're doing cliché, fortune favors the bold, I guess? 🤷‍♀️

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 12 points 3 days ago

Also it's brown people that are dying

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You don't need Israel for a trade passage. The US is trying to pivot away from the region to focus on East Asia, where China is. The US no longer needs the Middle East for strategic reasons as the US has developed its own Oil and Gas resources.

Israel is a liability for the US geopolitically. Of course there is a strong Israeli lobby and there is the intelligence ties, surveillance tech and the like. However i think this is more based on blackmail than a genuine need for the US to get this tech from Israel. The father of Ghislaine Maxwell, who ran the child rape circle with Epstein, had ties to Mossad and other intelligence agencies. It is quite plausible that Mossad has a lot of material on the people involved.

[–] alcibiades@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

I don’t know if the blackmail argument even works. Because we live in a “post-truth era” where no one cares if a politician did something horrible, they just move on or get convinced otherwise.

I feel like every argument for supporting Israel is a little flimsy. It just boggles the mind why anyone wants to support such a shitty little country that exclusively does the absolute worst

[–] Tarqon@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There's also the concern that if support for Israel is dropped, an Iran-led coalition will go to war with them. Israel being attacked is unimaginable to a lot of people that grew up in the shadow of ww2.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 3 points 2 days ago

Iran real only enemy is the USA. Doea they really think that Iran want to crush the whole west?

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I mean, it isn't a concern so much as an obvious fact. If the West dropped support for Israel, Iran and its allies would be invading within the hour.

[–] NewDark@lemmings.world 0 points 3 days ago

It's close enough for a soundbite or a headline.