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[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Mosaddegh was overthrown.

About 25 years after that, the Shah was overthrown by a sexist and homophobic theocracy.

[–] Schmoo@startrek.website 11 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

If Iran's mode of government were really the casus belli of Israel's attacks, they would be providing support for revolutionary movements within Iran, not bombing their capital city including civilian apartment buildings and claiming that they're only targeting nuclear sites. If having a government that denies equal rights to certain groups is justification enough for attacks on civilian populations in the capital, think about what that means for Tel Aviv.

[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

For the record, I don't really support these strikes, but neither am I terribly passionate in opposing them for reasons I've stated.

If Iran’s mode of government were really the casus belli of Israel’s attacks, they would be providing support for revolutionary movements within Iran,

I wouldn't be too surprised if the US and Israel were doing a little of such, though the contributions would hardly be significant.

wp:International Railroad for Queer Refugees doesn't seem to be getting much support from Israel.

not bombing their capital city including civilian apartment buildings and claiming that they’re only targeting nuclear sites.

Such places might have stuff and people of interest, but yeah, they've been saying that a lot about their targets in Gaza.

If having a government that denies equal rights to certain groups is justification enough for attacks on civilian populations in the capital, think about what that means for Tel Aviv.

and if Hamas, Islamic Jihad, et al narrowed their attacks to just soldiers, cops, many of the politicians, and settlers, I wouldn't have much of a problem with it.

[–] Schmoo@startrek.website 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

For the record, I don't really support these strikes, but neither am I terribly passionate in opposing them for reasons I've stated.

You should be more passionate in opposing them because this shit is the closest we've ever been to WW3 and Israel only seems interested in further escalation.

I wouldn't be too surprised if the US and Israel were doing a little of such, though the contributions would hardly be significant.

wp:International Railroad for Queer Refugees doesn't seem to be getting much support from Israel.

Gee, I wonder why that is. It couldn't be that Israel doesn't give a shit about equal rights, being a fascist ethnostate themselves, surely. This isn't a "both sides" situation, Israel is clearly the aggressor, and no good can possibly come from this.

Such places might have stuff and people of interest, but yeah, they've been saying that a lot about their targets in Gaza.

It's interesting that your instinct is to assume some level of good faith on Israel's part. Perhaps you should examine that?

and if Hamas, Islamic Jihad, et al narrowed their attacks to just soldiers, cops, many of the politicians, and settlers, I wouldn't have much of a problem with it.

The standard of violence is set by the oppressor. It's a clear double standard that you speak charitably about Israel's attacks on civilians immediately before dismissing others for theirs. Not to mention the massive difference in scale.

[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world -2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

You should be more passionate in opposing them because this shit is the closest we’ve ever been to WW3 and Israel only seems interested in further escalation.

We've been far closer to WWIII in the past.

Iran is not (enough of) a Russian ally.

Gee, I wonder why that is. It couldn’t be that Israel doesn’t give a shit about equal rights, being a fascist ethnostate themselves, surely. This isn’t a “both sides” situation, Israel is clearly the aggressor, and no good can possibly come from this.

Iran has been helping Israel's enemies—Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Assad gang—and chanting "Death to Israel" (and "Death to America") for decades. When it comes to needlessly killing Arabs, I'm not sure who's worse: US or Iran.

It’s interesting that your instinct is to assume some level of good faith on Israel’s part.

I don't really: at least not these past several years.

Perhaps you should examine that?

Perhaps I should.

The standard of violence is set by the oppressor. It’s a clear double standard that you speak charitably about Israel’s attacks on civilians immediately before dismissing others for theirs.

2 wrongs don't make a right.

Not to mention the massive difference in scale.

You might have an argument there: the legitimate-targets-to-innocent-civilian ratio of Hamas on 7 October 2023 versus Israel's response.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 17 hours ago

2 wrongs don’t make a right.

Your whole position is that Iran's wrongs justify Israel.

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