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[–] interolivary@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

(I would not put resources into defense and military, but who am I to tell)

How's that related to me saying we should plan for how to survive the changes that inevitably worsening change will cause?

Setting goals low is “convenient” however not good.

And how on earth is saying "we should be putting more thought into how we plan to survive?" setting goals low? If anything, simply blindly believing that mitigation will save us all seems to be setting goals low. The idea that it'd be detrimental to our efforts if we put resources into anything except mitigation and would just be "splitting into two paths" is, frankly, absurd.

Fuck, even NASA says that we need to both look at mitigation and adaptation; they're just using a different term but mean exactly the same thing.

I wasn't pulling this survival stuff out of my ass you know: multiple organizations, climate researchers etc. have been saying this, which is where I got the idea from in the first place.

edit: wiki link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_adaptation#Co-benefits_with_mitigation

[–] PoisonedPrisonPanda@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago

related to me saying we

Easy bro, this was a general statement about the ridiculous world we live in and in no way targeted towards you or your statements.

Nasa is talking about adaption. No mention of the word survival. Survival for me is the ongoing existence of humanity. Building seed storages, build underground sanctuaries.

Survival is like worst case scenario, when we play running from sunbeams riddick style.

Maybe it was just a misinterpretation of the terms by us.

I am not denying that elevated temps are a inevatible thing. However I am saying that we would save as a ton of adaption if we mitigate, therefore I put mitigation on the top. And if we mitigate successfully, then we can talk about adaption.

But starting with adaption measures without enforcing mitigation measures is an uphill battle which we will loose for sure. Because adaption has no end. Well maybe becoming intergalactic and leaving earth behind for a new planet.

From you wiki link I would not say that having public transport is adaption.

And again it is in my head nowhere near the term survival. But as I said probably a misunderstanding from my side as I am not native in english.