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[+] CeeBee@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

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[–] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

LMAO! Dan Carlin is far from religious, and the last thing he does is whitewash anything. In fact, the stuff he talks about is blood curdling and may even make you vomit everywhere.

Sure bud, I'll rephrase. I really don’t care about your totally non-religious podcast, especially one that tries to whitewash indentured servitude.

If you’re referring to those mega churches and people like the Duggars, then ya. I agree with you there and agree that’s wrong.

Them too. But you only need to look at how the christian churches protect pedophiles and abusers, help them escape the law and reoffend again to see how much power and influence they get.

Plus, the catholic church alone is worth billions, with land holdings, historical artifacts, etc.

Becoming a high-ranking member grants you influence over your underlings and delusional people, food and shelter for the rest of your life, etc.

You know well that this is about judicial punishment. If a slave murders someone, for example

Feel free to quote the verse where it says you can only beat slaves as judicial punishment.

No. It’s a reality and a fact that not every single word in the Bible is a commandment. There has to be context and even just basic information about events, people, cultures, etc.

And that context just happens to be in form of direct commandments. Oops.

Is it a good thing that people go on welfare, or is it preferable to starving? Again, this is where we get into the definition of the word. Think about it, how would it be preferable to be mistreated, beaten, and abused?

I think plenty of people would prefer to be poor and free then to be fed and a slave.

But if you think otherwise, would you be in favor of putting all homeless and poor people in involuntary servitude? Since it's preferable to welfare and starving, according to you.

And then of course there's all the homophobia in the bible, but that seems to be a positive to people such as you who support sex based discrimination.

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[–] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

All of this is true. Hence why the “children” (these acts of abuse) of Babylon the Great (false religion) need to be dashed against a wall.

Of course.

And when the bible says all homosexuals must be killed, what metaphor is that? Or is it missed context?

You have staked your arguments to be the complete opposite of what I have to say.

I tend to do that when the person I'm arguing against supports such despicable things.

The fact that you immediately dismissed Hardcore History as a “religious podcast” and still maintain that it “whitewashes” anything, all without even looking up the podcast

I looked up dan carlin and he has a some christian podcast called Word Christian Fellowship podcast. But sure, not religious or bias.

telling that you are unable to be objective in the slightest in this discussion.

Unable to be objective by agreeing with you that slavery was a good thing? Are you listening to yourself?

(which tops Podcast charts in multiple categories, primarily history)

Are you his publicist or something? You're trying really hard so sell his stuff.

It seems your forgot to answer this:

Is it a good thing that people go on welfare, or is it preferable to starving? Again, this is where we get into the definition of the word. Think about it, how would it be preferable to be mistreated, beaten, and abused?

I think plenty of people would prefer to be poor and free then to be fed and a slave.

But if you think otherwise, would you be in favor of putting all homeless and poor people in involuntary servitude? Since it’s preferable to welfare and starving, according to you.

And then of course there’s all the homophobia in the bible, but that seems to be a positive to people such as you who support sex based discrimination.

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[–] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Without getting too much into it, the Bible says that Mosaic law is superceded by the Law Covenant at the time of Jesus’ death, and thus is no longer in affect.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Matthew 5:17–18

It's still in effect according to your prophet and the son of your god, but you surely know more than him.

The reason I ignored this topic before is because it has absolutely nothing to do with the original discussion, which was “the Bible does not teach torture”.

You said: "The Bible doesn’t teach dominating and torturing people, for one."

I gave to plenty of evidence, from the bible directly, that it teaches dominating and torturing people, you just choose to disregard facts because it does not agree with your narrative, which seems to be an epidemic with you religious types.

Ah, so if I said “everyone deserves respect” you would argue in favour of treating everyone terribly?

That (unlike slavery) is not a despicable things, so I won't argue against it. Maybe try understanding my argument before trying (and failing) to come up with a snappy reply.

Like I said, if you knew his content from Hardcore History, any of it, you would understand how ridiculous your statement is.

Again, I won't buy any of his content. I don't care for slavery apoligists.

But just wait until you find out that some of the greatest minds regarded in science were Christian and believed in God.

I'm keenly aware that christians forced their religion on everybody they could when it was acceptable. Thankfully, it's less acceptable now, but we still have ways to go. Thanks for reminding me how christianity pushed back the progess of science and humanity by centuries.

Are you genuinely still asserting that I ever said “slavery was a good thing”? At this point you’re either just a troll or just really thick.

You did quote the wikipedia article that said that...

No. I suggested his stuff once, and then just kept laughing (not mockingly, I genuinely found it funny) at how absurd your attempts to discredit Hardcore History is, based purely on your bias towards me.

I looked up his name and his christian podcast came up, I went to his website where he is selling is podcast episodes.

I didn't need to discredit him, he did that all on his own.

The sad thing is that you might actually think I believe that,

So you just argue for this you don't belive in and agree with?

This is you, by the way:

Is it a good thing that people go on welfare, or is it preferable to starving? Again, this is where we get into the definition of the word. Think about it, how would it be preferable to be mistreated, beaten, and abused?

The Bible says homosexuality is displeasing to God because it’s not how he intended romantic relationships to be.

And he is a homophobe as well, what a surprise...

It doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that you can’t argue the topic about slavery in the Bible on its own merit, is it?

I would think you really didn't need to argue the fact that slavery is a bad thing, but the bible and you seem to disagree.

The arguments was about if the bible teaches to dominate and torture people, by the way, not just about slavery.

I just though that you'd agree that slavery counted as dominating and torturing people. How wrong I was.

Surely you wouldn’t try to discredit the source material in order to undermine your opponents arguments. Not you, never.

Well, if the "source material" is a supposedly supernatural book and religion, and a pastor's podcast for that religion, I really don't need to undermine it, it already undermined itself.

I’ll read it, but I won’t reply if you keep misrepresenting what I’ve said and try to put words in my mouth.

How brave of you to leave an argument you lost.

I don't misrepresent what you said, you're just insinuating I did, becuase you realized your arguments sound really bad when you put them out there.