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Basically the title. Replace Murray with Trae. Contracts stay the same. Are the Nuggets better or worse now? I’m talking about Trae Young of the Atlanta Hawks by the way

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[–] HotspurJr@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Much worse, unless you hypothesize that Trae become a player we've only seen in short spurts in his entire career: a guy who is locked in on defense and plays hard after he passes the ball.

Trae is really really good with the ball in his hands. He, for his career, has been largely mediocre when it's not in his hands, on both sides of the floor.

With Jokic you don't really want the ball in Trae's hands.

[–] silliputti0907@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Do yall even watch the Nuggets last season? There were many times where Jokic sat or even with him on court that, he would let Jamal run the offense.

You're overthinking it. Think about what Murray does and if Trae can do it.

Run PNR? Trae can do it better.

Run the offense while Jokic sits? Trae can do it better.

Close out games? Murray has done it in higher stakes, but Trae isn't scared of the moment either.

Trae is a more consistent scorer and undebatably better passer. Defense is the only downgrade, which people constantly mis-attribute in these debates. He takes a lot of bad shots, which Jokic would be able to help. He's not a cutter, but he can score from anywhere and is a great catch-and-shooter.

[–] asapfetty@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jamal is a better shot creator and honestly it isn’t even close. Just look at their playoff numbers

Literally no reason to replace him with a smaller guard more inefficient guard when you have Jokic’s playmaking

[–] silliputti0907@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are pointing at numbers without applying context. Trae doesn't have Jokic roller, and Murray isn't a first option scorer. Every Hawks game defenses are focused on slowing down Trae. For the Nuggets its defending Jokic post ups and funneling the pass to the weakest shooter. Jamal isn't getting the double teams or traps. By number Trae is super inefficient, but I guarantee Jokic would make anyone including Trae more effecient and productive.

[–] asapfetty@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

When has Trae shown that he can play off ball? Trae hasn’t shown the ability to sacrifice his usage even with a playmaker like Murray

Even if he could transition off-ball, his height makes him not good for a spot up shooter role

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