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[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (5 children)
[–] vala@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nah, this universe is 3d.

I'm assuming you are thinking that time is the 4th dimension and we have time here so we are 4d?

Time may be the 4th dimension, but in our universe, time doesn't actually behave like a proper dimension. For one thing, dimensions should be spatially perpendicular to each other and time is not. We also seem to only be able to move one way through time whereas we can move back and forth through the other 3 dimensions.

Dimensions get weird and complicated. For the intents and purposes of this conversation it's correct to say that the universe were experiencing now is 3 dimensional.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Three spacial dimensions, which is normally what people mean when they say that, unless they specify otherwise. For example, we call them 3D game engines, not 4D. Yes, there's also a time dimension that is special. It cannot be moved through freely.

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

How not? Do you not save your progress? Do you not old up old files? Really think bud

[–] PleaseLetMeOut@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, but if you're beyond the event horizon of a black hole time becomes basically* irrelevant. You could literally turn around, look back out towards the rest of he universe, and watch all of time play out in the blink of an eye.

You know that scene in Interstellar where they land on the planet for 5 minutes, but 20 years passes for everyone else due to the planet's mass? It's the same thing, but a billion-billion-billion times more severe.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

No, time does not become irrelevant. It's perfectly normal for things inside the black hole. Here's the space time diagram for our universe on the right, and a black hole at the top-left. Time is the vertical axis, space is the horizontal. The speed of light is a 45° angle, and the solid lines are event horizons. The hourglass shapes are the cones of all your possible futures and pasts (aka, anywhere that isn't faster than the speed of light from a position). Notice the space-time diagram looks exactly the same on the other side of the horizon. To get back through though you'd have to travel faster than that 45° angle, which is impossible.

Edit: I remembered there's a PBS Space Time video that will help you understand this if you don't. It goes a lot further than just this version of the diagram.

[–] PleaseLetMeOut@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm aware of the Penrose diagram and also watch PBS SpaceTime :)

But I was referring more to the frame of reference of our universe vs that of being inside a blackhole (assuming you could magically avoid being ripped apart by gravity). To an observer inside a blackhole, "time" on the outside would blink by almost instantly. I wasn't talking about moving through an infinite universe or near/into a black hole. Just stationary, floating just beyond the event horizon, looking out. Hence the asterisk on basically*.

I was leading them to what MotoAsh posted. But they beat me to it while I was typing.

Edit: He even references what I'm talking about at 0:44 in the SpaceTime video. But from the frame of reference of an outside observer.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago

Do you have any idea how little that narrows things down?