this post was submitted on 27 Jul 2025
69 points (65.6% liked)
Memes
52960 readers
1700 users here now
Rules:
- Be civil and nice.
- Try not to excessively repost, as a rule of thumb, wait at least 2 months to do it if you have to.
founded 6 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
It's okay to shit on Stalin on a Marxist-Leninist board, the synthesizer of Marxism-Leninism? MLs don't uphold Stalin as a god, but we also don't engage in historical nihilism, cedeing the historical narrative to the bourgeoisie and liberal historian perspectives. Stalin was no saint, but was far more effective and moral than contemporary leaders like Churchill and Hitler.
It's OK to shit on anyone when what they are saying is counter to, you know, REALITY.
Yes, Stalin was having photographs heavily redacted.
No, it wasn't "the CIA".
I didn't say the USSR didn't doctor photographs to remove purged members. In my reply to your upper level comment, I explained why the purges were necessary and elaborated on their context. Nothing I said in that comment is counter to reality, I even brought sources.
I never said the purges were un-necessary, and I wasn't shitting on your comment.
I was shitting on the comment saying Stalin didn't do it, it was the CIA.
It's CLEAR Stalin did it, both the purges and the photo edits.
Then I'm confused at why you replied to my comment asking why you said it's okay to shit on Stalin on a Marxist-Leninist community. The implication is that MLs are anti-Stalin, but the general consensus hangs around the CPC's evaluation (given first by Mao) that Stalin was about 70% good, 30% bad.
Because this thread got started because I was dunking on someone who tried to say "Naw, naw, it wasn't STALIN, it was the CIA."
Clearly a comment that needed crap.
No, this thread got started when you tried to downplay the CIA's internal memo regarding Stalin's methods of leadership. Others denying that the photos were doctored by the USSR did come in, but after you made the initial comment. Your comment did one good thing though, it served as a nice springboard for me to address and contextualize.
To be fair, I don't doubt that the CIA may have embellished the extent to which photos were doctored as a part of its red scare tactics. Also, you still didn't answer my question about why shitting on Stalin is something you think MLs are supposed to do.
How on earth do you think Stalin would have even accomplished that? By that time the USSR didn't even have access to photoshop - hell nobody outside the cia even knew about it at the time