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I run warehouse/fulfillment ops for an ecomm business and frequently hire temps (task rabbit, instawork, etc)
People literally won't show up for less than $20/hr even for basic shit like kitting, we have to start at $25 just to get people in the door. My boss sees the bill and asks why we don't find some younger workers for $15 but they just don't exist in our area. People want to work, just not for shit wages.
The younger worker thing fucking shits me. I worked as OPs manager for 11+ years and my GM was always on me about getting younger staff for the cheaper rate. Little did he know I entered everybody under 18 as 18 in our payroll... He expected the same workload from these guys so I was ensuring they got paid the same.
So.. Child labor?
Teenagers are allowed to work part time jobs
So... legal child labour?
Pay all my bills and give me fun money and savings money or no work.
It's that fucking simple.
Preach. I work for a small manufacturing and production company. The pay rate is $16/hr, they don't offer health insurance, they have paid holidays, they offer 1 week paid vacation after 1 year and 2 weeks after 3 years. They're having trouble hiring people. They've resorted to reaching out to former employees and asking current workers if they could reach out to friends or family.
Edit: The location is South Florida, so $16/hr isn't much here. I live with my parents so it's good enough for me.
zero vacation days for the first year??? wtf is going on in America
There is no law requiring vacation or sick days, so employers offer a few as a little treat. Wait until you hear about how much maternity leave you are guaranteed
No one wants to have children anymore.
What?! You can have up to 12 whole weeks of maternity leave! Your kid should be good by then, right?
Oh? You wanted money to live on while you recover from creating a whole other human? See you next week, then.
@Theharpyeagle @Uncle_Bagel Yeah, our ability to make ends meet shouldn't depend on businesses being able to profit from our labour...
Five neoliberal presidents, two red scares, four centuries of structural racism, and the cult of individualism as a de facto state religion.
Individualism is so dumb. If humans were lone wolfs, we wouldn't have microchips, steam engines, the written word, or even language.
Plenty of animals are stronger, quicker, have better sight, better memory, etc. We're definitely the most dominant large animal, but only because of cooperation. You might be able to survive alone in the woods, but we need others to thrive.
No doubt. All that happens to us is related to the systems that surround us, and our accidental position within them. Individuals always carry some accountability for choices, but most choice with the strongest effects is social. Punishing individuals for structural problems is a collective sickness.
~~Slavery~~ Capitalism
It's the same where I work. Small family-owned business, benefits only kick in after you've been full-time for a year. I've been there 20 months with no benefits because I was only part-time the first year.
They gave me a raise after one year but because my pay started so low, even with my raise I was still making less than what this other girl started at. We had been hired at the same time. In our first year there, I learned more and took on more responsibilities, stuff the other girls were afraid to do, did everything she did plus more, but even with my raise I made less than her starting pay. I was not happy and I let them know it. They caved and gave me the same rate she was at after her raise.
WTF? This is worse than fucking Russia. And Russia itself has very low labour standards. 5-day 8-hour per day work week with 4 weeks of paid vacation(paid as in wage is still coming, not paid as in paying for travel and stuff) per year with minimum 14 days continiously. How can you get worse than that?
Many places in America give absolutely zero paid vacation at all. Ever. It is extremely common. No paid sick days either.
The average American gets barely more than a week and a half of paid vacation per year, total. And many canβt even afford to use their unpaid leave.
An ingrained assumption persists of a particular class of people who willfully identify with providing certain labor for paltry compensation. It is simply because workers want to live well that they are not accepting low wages "even for basic shit like kitting".
They never held any original plan to accept poverty wages in exchange for being relegated to particular kinds of work.
I'm curious, what category are you hiring people in on taskrabbit? Off the top of my head can't think of any that match warehousing.
I was tasking for a while at 30/hr and I'd have to raise my rates to make it worth it. Every customer estimates their task at 30 minutes to an hour but it could be anywhere from 1-4 realistically making it really difficult to schedule consistent work, and that's before you factor in all the overhead/missing benefits compensation.
For moving heavy stuff I do moving/loading/unloading and for kitting/assembly I think we use... Office organization? Since that is a sit down job typically.
For real warehouse stuff (forklift, container unload, pick/pack) I use instawork because in theory those people should have some warehouse experience.
I'm guessing people that book for 30 mins are probably just regular people? I generally book multiple people for 4+ hours, if it's less me or one of the warehouse folks will just take care of it.