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[–] ZeroCool@feddit.ch 109 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Yep, this news actually broke a couple days ago, I remember seeing a Brave fanboy having a meltdown over it and ranting about how Mozilla is the real shady company, blah, blah, blah.

[–] pensivepangolin@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Oh dear lord. What did they say in support of their “Mozilla is shady” argument?

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 63 points 1 year ago

Brave's CEO was fired from Mozilla so Mozilla bad.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

To be fair. Mozilla foundation is shady. They keep pushing things that don't follow their core mission. That try to expand their brand.

You can use Mozilla to build solid privacy respecting systems, but Firefox out of the box not so much. They're better than Google, but that's a low fucking bar.

Mullvad browser, Tor browser, mull for Android - all use the core Firefox open source engine, to make privacy respecting programs that work out of the box with privacy respecting defaults.

So I would say Mozilla is a good guy in this conversation, but not a saint.

[–] 0xD@infosec.pub 10 points 1 year ago

They keep trying to make money so they don't go under if/when Google pulls the plug on their easy money.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Though they are transparent with the fact that they are doing it. I'm not a fan of it either, but it's not too shady when they're open about it IMO.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Fair enough, they aren't evil to be sure.

The Mozilla telemetry, pocket, Mozilla synchronization, experiments, the new tab page basically being an advertisement page. That leaves the sour taste in my mouth, so I don't trust them because of that... Shady good guy vibes:)

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're doing what they think they need to justify their existence, and although I personally believe being just a great browser would be enough I appreciate their communication around their ventures. It's not great, but it's not like they're installing malware in the background.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://itsfoss.com/firefox-looking-glass-controversy/

They get pretty close sometimes. I respect their mojo, but I don't install vanilla Firefox anymore. On anything. For any reason. I don't trust them anymore.

I wish them the best, if I could donate directly to Firefox development I would, but it's impossible with them. So I don't. I donate to mullvad, I donate to the Tor project, and I donate to servo. That's what I can do to make sure we maintain an open and free web

[–] db2@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably something about Google.

[–] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah if it's the comment chain that I think they're referring to, I believe it came down to Mozilla "being in bed with Google" because Google is the default search engine.

I'll take the default search engine being Google over things like affiliate links being hijacked, but maybe I'm crazy for taking that position.

[–] clearleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Typical Brave user hating google while using chrome with preinstalled extensions. Everything about that browser is the opposite of what it should be. Same with the users.

[–] kirk781@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I follow Ghacks, a tech site, as well and boy there is a Brave shill on there who attacks everyone there for daring to say anything against it. He knows stuff, judging from his comments, yet is so anti Mozilla and pro Brave that I can't understand. Almost thinks anyone not using Brave is inferior.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's not good to stereotype people. But, I would bet money that they have any three of these: bought ~~NFCs~~ NFTs unironically, supports OpenAI unconditionally, propose blockchain on everything, bought a pizza with bitcoin years ago that would be millions of dollars today and are still salty about it, have a Starlink receiver, drive a beaten down Tesla they can't afford to repair because they spent their money paying for FSD early access, and would definitely be first in line to fly Starship to Mars if they were allowed to, they posts to imageai regularly.

EDIT: autocorrect.

[–] kirk781@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Yes, that pizza for Bitcoin story is quite popular, though it happened in very early days of the currency. Also, I assume you meant NFTs instead of NFCs :p. For a second, I was wondering what did near field communication had to do with this.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

don't you just love projection?

cant accept the facts, so deflect the criticism to something else that is in no way a valid target for them.