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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I feel like half of the blame capitalism gets is valid, but the other half is just society. I don't care what kind of system you're under, you're going to have to deal with other people.

Oh, and if you try the system where you don't have to deal with people, that just means other people end up handling you.

[–] amju_wolf@pawb.social 15 points 1 year ago

In this case it is purely fault of the money incentive though. Noone would spend so much effort and computation power on AI if they didn't think it could make them money.

The funniest part is though that it's only theoretical anyway, everyone is only losing on it and they're most likely never gonna make it back.

[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It matters a lot though what kind of goal the system incentivises. Imagine if it was people's happiness and freedom instead of quarterly profits.

[–] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine if it was people’s happiness and freedom instead of quarterly profits

  1. Whose happiness and freedom?
  2. How is it to be measured?
  3. Capitalists honestly believe that free trade is the best albeit flawed way to do both of the above

It's definitely valid to disagree about point #3, but then you need to give a better model for #1 and #2

[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
  1. Optimise for maximum happiness and freedom and minimum suffering on a societal level, while making sure that a certain threshold of freedom-from-suffering is met for every single individual. (So that happiness for the majority is not reached via the suffering of minorities.) Obviously there can be arguments about where we draw the lines for the specifics of these.
  2. Quite a few ways have been developed to measure happiness, wellbeing, flourishing, quality of life, whatever nuance you want to pick.
  3. We have ample proof that it's a system that fundamentally undermines societal happiness by incentivising the accumulation of wealth at the expense of the wellbeing of people and ecosystems. It's decades overdue to radically change the way the world's economy works. (Which is of course not something those with the most power want, so unlikely to happen any time soon.)
[–] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I would give this reddit gold

Instant easy complaints help-i'm-oppressed-by-Capitalism today sound an awful lot like the instant easy complaints help-i'm-oppressed-by-Communism I used to hear from rednecks

Ask someone who starved & died under either system how obviously superior it is, you will find millions on either side

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

What if i'm being repressed instead?

[–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Also consider that Socialism is totally legal under Capitalism. Want to start a co-op? Go for it. Want to legislate and implement socialized healthcare? Many Capitalist countries have.

Under Communism, Capitalism must be illegal and stamped out by force. Want to start a business making shoes and hire someone to work for an agreed upon wage? Illegal.

When the goal involves guaranteeing positive rights, I'm not sure how it can be achieved without coercion. Which is how any socialist policies get implemented under capitalism anyways.

[–] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

ofc a lot depends on the precise definitions of terms, state corporatism is not synonymous with generally free markets operating under the regulation of a basically diverse inclusive democracy -- but both are referred to as "capitalism"

[–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The neat part is that anything bad that happens under capitalism is capitalism's fault, but anything good that happens is actually socialism happening in spite of capitalism, somehow.