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Someday there will be a player that legitimately challenges MJ in the goat debate, and I just hope I'm around to see him play when that happens.
You don’t think Lebron has an argument against Jordan? I think it’s debatable right now at the very least.
Who impacted the game more, and who was a bigger figure? Who accomplished more? Who, at their best, was the better player?
The answer to all 3 of those questions is Jordan. How does anything LeBron does even move the needle? MJ won more, he was better, and he was bigger.
How does longevity, or any other argument in favor even make a case?
It's recency bias. There's no argument. Nothing other than rationalizations. One player was more impactul to the NBA and culture and super stardom. That same player won more, and was better.
LeBron has nothing to combat that
He can be argued but at the end of the argument it's still solidly jordan.
Lebron is the solid #2 though.
At worst LeBron is a legitimate challenger for GOAT, even if you don't think he ultimately makes the cut.
No.
I can't, man. Did you know the hardware difference between them is a first ballot HOF?
2x FMVP 1x MVP 10x scoring titles 1x DPOY
longevity is amazing and lbjs longevity is unrivaled but hardware is where you prove you were better than everyone else while playing. Better rebounder, defender, winner, etc.
Longevity if you just play long enough you'll eventually win cumulative stats.
After 2011 it is honestly tough to make an argument on him being in the conversation. A very stable top 2 but the goat wouldn't be clamped by JJ Barea and score 8 points in a finals game
Jordan got bullied by Rex Chapman. No GOAT can escape a white dawg
You mean the Finals where he averaged 41.0 points, 8.5 rebounds, and 6.3 assists per game and they won in six games? We might have different definitions of getting bullied
Had LeBron been born in a good family like Steph he would have been the GOAT easily. That brother became a GOAT contender off pure talent with no one even teaching how to shoot a jumper. Can't learn that later in your life. Ambidextrous, perfect body and incredible vision but struggles to shoot a FT because he didn't have the privilege to learn fundamentals like Steph.
MJ had great family support as well. Wemby has the perfect body if you ignore injury risk and great fundamentals from a basketball family. LeBron James had the worst conditions with many flaws and is still close so I believe we haven't seen the GOAT yet. I haven't seen a flawless basketball player yet. A small guy like Steph coming near the top shows me there's still a lot of inefficiency at the top. Jordan is the closest thing to a flawless player I know but he is still a little too small and inefficient from deep to be the permanent GOAT in basketball imo. In football I feel I have seen the perfect player with perfect physical, technical abilities, IQ, vision in Messi.
If my grandmother had wheels she would’ve been a bike
I'm losing brain cells reading all your comments in this thread, so I'm not even going to touch your Jordan/LeBron theory, but you're never going to see a perfect player. Even if Messi is head and heels above everyone else, he has loads of flaws.
Will be very interesting to see how close Wemby gets to GOAT status
I think LBJ is probably the closest anyone will come
Bron challenges him. Id say a good 25ish% of people have him as their goat. I wanna see someone be the Gretzky undeniable GOAT level. Like completely dethrone Mj, Bron, and Kareem. I dunno if its possible tho. Its super hard to get 4+ rings with these rules
That's just crazy bruh, LeBron or MJ is the goat, I have no problem if anyone has either of them #1, to say LeBron doesn't even challenge is crazy.
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