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Everyone knows Microsoft OSs are tick-tock anyway. The failed 11 will be superseded by a well received 12, and the cycle will continue. Can’t kill 10 until 12 is fully accepted. Like 10 and 7 before it.
I find this funny as I remember the first 5 years of Windows 10 be like everyone hates it because it's not Windows 7
Well it was replacing the tile-silliness of Windows 8, any OS that booted would receive some goodwill in comparison
I wouldn't count on that, if the rumor mill of windows 12 being a subscription model ends up true, it will be recieved far worse than 11 did.
I thought it was a little far-fetched as well, but there was a post I believe it was here a few weeks back of people that were running the windows 12 beta snooping around the code and seeing references to subscription classification and typing
This is a PC mag article that refers to it. it doesn't go in as depth as the other post did
Hold the fucking goddamn phone... We don't even have 11 in full swing and they're making 12!? What the actual fuck Microsoft?
I think Microsoft has gotten so used to the swing back and forth that they just assume 12 is going to be a banger. I can think of no worse setup for a train wreck of a release than 12 being the first Microsoft built major OS to break this mold since XP and end up being the 2nd OS in a row that bombed and drove away market share.
Subscription to remove the ads! lol
This was never a thing. Someone took a blurb said by someone on a call, and ran with it. No one fact checked, no one looked at context. At least not until after the articles were out.
The subscription stuff has always been on the enterprise side. Hell, it’s available right now and you don’t see it on the consumer side.
In fact, 11 doesn’t even require activation. You can just install it, never activate, and continue to use it perpetually. How would the next step in their movement away from requiring consumer purchase be to charge monthly for access? Makes no damn sense right out the gate.
I feel like I will have to revisit this comment in a few years with 'aged like fine milk'... Hope I am wrong.
There's been articles saying that's disproven and it's so far out I don't get why people are even talking about it at all yet really.
Editing to add the following link:
https://www.windowslatest.com/2023/10/16/no-windows-12-is-a-free-upgrade-and-wont-require-a-subscription/
By what metric (other than clickbaity tech publication headlines)?
Every Windows release, even including “the good ones”, my repair shop has been inundated with requests to go back or post-upgrade troubleshooting work.
We’ve had none of that since 11’s release. The only botched upgrades were due to underlying hardware conditions and everyone else has been neutral at worst.
Have any of the other relases had a hardware requirement that even 3 year old PCs don't meet? I just built my PC in 2020 and win11 is telling me I can't upgrade because of my basically new hardware...
My bet is on many many people simply can't upgrade.
Just about anything from 2018 or newer meets the hardware requirements, but at time of release (October 2021) that was just over 3 years. Ryzen 2000 and Intel 8000 are the initial entry level.l that meet the requirements.
Unless you used 2+ year old parts for you build, you just need to go into UEFI/BIOS and enable the firmware TPM (fTPM) or perform the BIOS update that switches that to being on by default.
I’d recommend the latter since you are likely to also gain stability and/or security improvements going that route.
Thanks for the info! I have a 9900k so that should be fine. It's on a designairz390 mobo so maybe that was the issue? I'll have to look into those bios settings
I actually like 11 compared to 10 (so far as I like Windows in the first place - I only use it on my work-provided computer, Linux everywhere else). People rightly complain about the advertising and tracking for why they won't upgrade but doesn't 10 have that too?
I still have windows 10 on my work computer which is the only windows device I have, and it is riddled with advertisements, especially the start menu