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[–] notabot@piefed.social 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The genocide was going to happen whichever of those two was in the White House, although Harris maybe seemed a little less likely to give them carte-blanche to go as extreme as they have. From that perspective it was a hobson's choice, but many other things would have been different.

Do you support having the U.S. millitary being sent in to U.S. cities as a show of force? Do you support denying women access to vital healthcare? Do you support reducing or elliminating vaccination programmes? I'm guessing not, so then your have to ask yourself whether it is better to support the candidate who would not do those things, despite their position on Israel, or to abstain so you can say you didn't support genocide, despite the fact doing so would do nothing to change that outcome, and increased the chance of the other undesireable outcomes?

As I said before, this should not have been the choice put in front of voters, but it was, and each member of the electorate had to make a choice, support a bad candidate or increase the chance of a worse one winning. Be mad about that. Fight to change it. Support candidates who oppose it, from the most local level, up to the highest level. It looks like there are some better candidates trying to push through now, the democrat party will probably fight to keep them down, so everyobe who wants better needs to push for the new candidates. Support those candidates any way you feel is right, but once it comes down to the ballot, make your chouce based on their whole position, not just one strand that is the same as the other guy's.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago

The genocide was going to happen whichever of those two was in the White House

Right, you don't give a shit about the genocide, you just wanted more comfort domestically, and you didn't want to have to deal with full blown fascism at home. It's an understandable (and cowardly) position, but the least you can do is own it and stop pretending to have a moral standing in this, you just wanted your normal life to continue, and Trump threatened that.

No, they don't support the things you listed, which is why they didn't vote for Trump. You support genocide and illegal drone strikes and kids in cages at the border and everything else that came with Kamala's promise of most lethal military, and you voted for it.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There is a war of extermination because israel get billions of dollars every years, only fools think that Harris or any other candidate would have stopped aids and arms to Israel . I don't care about all the BS and deflection you used on your comment

[–] notabot@piefed.social 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As I said, unfortunately, that was going to happen whichever one got into the White House. You could not affect that outcome with your vote. You could affect a lot of other outcomes though. The question (and it's a genuine question, although I think you and I probably have different answers to it) is whether, given that you couldn't change the genocide, you should vote based on those other issues, or whether you should abstain by not voting, or voting third party.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When you spew this BS you should stop pretending that you ever cared about Palestinians getting exterminated . Palestinians lives are so insignificant for you that you think oppressed minorities in the USA is more terrible than people actually dying, hospitals and schools are destroyed, a million of people living in starvation

The idea that Harris lost because of her position toward the genocide is just BS that make some people feel better. Foreign affair was the 7th most important issue for American only 2% cared about it. That include both Palestine and Ukraine. The poll did not even mention among those who voted on the issue of Palestine how many support Palestinians and how many support Israelis.

If all third party voters which is the position i support voted for Harris she would have still lost so at the end of the day, Harris and trump voters are all responsible for the genocide. Also Harris being bad at PR for almost all the issues along with trump and his voters are the people who are responsible for what is happening to minorities and immigrants

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So you sat on the sideline because of an issue that no one cared about and wasn't going to change anyway and now we have masked ICE agents grabbing people off the streets and sending them to third world hell holes, the military deployed to US cities, and we're making preventable diseases great again while trying to erase LGBT folks.

You should stop pretending that you ever cared about any of that.

You fucking enabled this. Own it.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Again harris is the only one responsible for her loss and not anti genocide and anti occupation and i don't care about how other don't care about gaza, i care about a population getting exterminated like any decent person should unlike who think palestinian lives are worthless

ICE agents grabbing people off the streets and sending them to third world hell holes

Are LGBTQ and deported imigrants getting bombed and starved to death. You keep showing again and again that palestinian lives are worthless

You fucking enabled this. Own it I am not even american and i supported the people who cared about all issues by voting for third parties whom has no effect on the election result. So i didn't enable anything

Harris lost because of her stupidity. She enabled it. Own it.