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Technocrats generally don't do the actual labor. S1E25, Devil in the Dark, with the Horta is a great way to show how the TOS era federation handled resource extraction: Send out a colony of people with substandard, obsolete equipent that can't be replaced because nobody makes part for it any more; for a critical and dangerous form of power on a world where dangrous local critters can't even be detected by standard tricorders.
Only to find out the local critters stole said water pump, causing sed nuclear reactor to meltdown; and when it's all set and done, kirk leaves telling the miners to exploit the shit out o the horta. Oh. it's not portrayed that way. but neither is any of the colonial exploitation we've done ourselves.
Another example is S2E11, Friday's Child, where Kirk and gang interfere in a world's politics to ensure that they were getting resources and the klingons were not.
Like, seriously. Pegasus wasn't that bad. I know. I know. lets run it down:
literally all of that are things that have come up in some form or another in TOS. Science run amok. Military co-opting technology.... secrets getting in the way of justice, mutinies and things that might start wars. There's also Kirk running around unilaterally making society-altering decisions in violation of the prime directive.
The only real difference between Kirk and Pressman is that we're told Kirk is a good guy and the means justified those ends, while Pressman was a bad guy and the means didn't justify those ends. I mean that literally. Do you think Kirk trying to steal a romulan cloaking device was within the then-current peace treaty with Romulus. ( [x] Doubt).
you might not like the 90's era writers... but they're still within the bounds of "trek"
Good and moral people don't take fascist warlords genetically engineered to be assholes and let the escape all onto their lonesome selves. A good and moral government/military wouldn't take Kirk's report and be like "yeah cool story, bro" and let it be. Either kirk lied about what happened to Kahn, or SF was cool with Kahn being left on the barren shit show of a world. And lets be clear: that time, the ends were the eventual destruction of the USS Reliant, the potential destruction of entire worlds and said homicidal assholes holding a grudge and wanting to destroy everything.
btw kirk blew up a planet too. (the, uh, genesis world.)
I appriciate your well written respose. I have not seen all trek, especially not TOS.
the thing that I do have beef with is the pegasus interpretation. The issues you may have with kirk etc are about one person, or your interpretation of "standard procedure" for Starfleet.
With pegasus, it's that the treaties with the federation aren't worth the paper they're written on, because the whole operation is run by black ops. Sisko bombing planets is just the cherry on top.
I think my POV is biased by the episodes I watched as a teen and the viewpoint that I formed then : this is an optimistic utopian future, and for once, the characters are geniunely good, and put in hard situations and come out on top while behaving with honor. The backstabbing, planet bombing etc takes that away and makes me sad.