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[–] carlossurf@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Fuck the billionaires that do that, but that doesn't mean that me using a straw isnt still making the shit worse. At least I can sleep at night knowing I am not making the situation worse, and I will still try to vote for politicians that are fighting against the billionaires

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

It's replacing real action in place of a good feeling. It's THE plan to not do anything effective.

[–] TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The normalization of needless single use products, like straws, by making them non plastic DOES make things worse. It delays real action, like removing straws altogether.

It’s greenwashing inherently unsustainable practices, just like introducing carbon capture technology on oil rigs or hyping electric cars as a way to keep the auto industry going (while suppressing more efficient means of transportation).

If we’re not going to fix shit, then why the fuck bother with mushy straws.

[–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Agree with this take. It's like yeah electric cars are technically better, but any advantage they have over combustion engines is blown away by things like public transportation, or designing walkable/cyclable cities.

Our solutions can't just rely on swapping out for "greener" tech. We need radical changes to how we are currently living in order to ensure a livable future.

There is no future that is not radical. This gradualist, neolib (let's make sure all the investors get a chance to divest from dirty tech before switching!) fantasy will fuck us. It's been fucking us for a hundred years. It's time to try literally anything else.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Our (Germany) cities are pretty much "walkable", yet the public transportation sucks big sweaty monkey balls. Wherever you wanna go, plan a lot of additional time. And then it's either

A) pay first class and enjoy SOME comfort (while still have to get TO the train in a horrible way)

Or

B) use the "normal" way and stay the whole time pressed against stinky other humans that breathe in your neck.

One way is far too expensive and the other even more.

And There's not much to do about (except prices). How many trams, busses and trains and their tracks can you build. Yet our population gets bigger and bigger.

So fuck public transportation and fuck walkable. I wanna get to places quickly and comfortably. And that is a car. But at least we only have one, as we don't need to work.

[–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago

With adequate public transportation, it becomes much more comfortable and convenient.

My city installed a few additional bike paths, and added some more buses, and the difference is huge.

I don't even need a car except when traveling longer distances.

The non mushy straws aren't terrible, but all rubberized tires are, whether on cars or bikes. The car ones are much worse.

And air travel is even worse still

But not close to industrial pollution which is exponentially greater.

The billionaires could care more and put some R&D into it. They just dont.

[–] survirtual@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Sorry, but I am confiscating your moral license if the straw you use is justification.

The straw you use does nothing but make you feel better, which I would argue is harmful. You shouldn't feel better for doing nothing when such large problems exist.

Your use of the right straw is akin to you killing a single invasive ant in a rain forest, and saying you did your part to remove the invasive colony. You then spend every opportunity talking about how you killed that single ant, all while the ants have already multiplied and utterly nullified your non-effort contribution.

Shipping barges, data centers, meat production, gas and coal burning are all many orders of magnitudes greater problems than what straw you use. Gas, coal, and fossil fuel use is over 70% of all emissions, so that should be the primary conversation. In addition, these are all growing in use. Talk about that. Put your attention and action towards that.

[–] jagungal@aussie.zone 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The straw is a metaphor for doing what you can in your own world no matter how small, not the absolute culmination of all the good that we've done.

[–] survirtual@lemmy.world 0 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

We can all do much more than straws.

Edit: let me rephrase this. Unless you are a billionaire, there is nothing you can do individually that matters. The problem requires banding together and holding these people accountable. This requires honest communication so people at least understand what the real problem is.

Given we are barely at the honest communication stage and ignorance is running rampant, and that we have a fast approaching deadline before nothing we do will work, I do not have much optimism for the survival of our species.

[–] jagungal@aussie.zone 1 points 15 hours ago

Do you know what a metaphor is?