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Mostly company phones in Europe and I suspect elsewhere too. Private use is very rare, and mostly old hand down phones from someone that got one from a company. And besides... nice cherry picking of numbers with "western" Europe only...
And no, I would tell them to install Monal. It works fine for normal messaging. But I never had the problem, because I know almost no one that uses iOS privately 🤷
Does it matter? It's not like people everyone carries two phones around.
Wishful thinking, again.
The point is that there is a non-negligible number of people using iOS everywhere. In Brazil, it's 17%, In China, it's ~20%. In Russia, 30%. Saying that "no one uses it outside of the US and Japan" is absurd.
If you "know almost no one that uses iOS privately", you are probably surrounded by people who think that "emoji support" and "reactions" are not important. Try stepping out of this bubble and see how far your can go with Monal. People expect a lot more than "normal messaging".
And no, I'm not saying this out of hate or because I prefer Matrix. I wish XMPP could be a viable alternative, just like I wish less people were locked on iOS. But no amount of wishing will change the reality. If XMPP enthusiasts really want to make it succeed then unfortunately they need to be ready for an uphill battle and be willing to spend resources to get a compelling alternative working on a hostile platform.
Most companies prohibit the installation of non-company approved apps, so yes you need to carry two phones.
I am not going to lose sleep over XMPP having less than ideal support on a platform that is hardly used by the realistic target group of XMPP. And reactions and emojis work fine on Android and other platforms 🤷 Afaik emoji reactions are also going to be supported by Monal soon, but then there will be for sure some other thing you come up with why XMPP can't ever work 🤦
Plus, I think you have a totally false problem analysis if you think the less than ideal iOS support it the thing why XMPP isn't as popular as Signal for example.
I never said it was the thing, and you are creating a strawman by implying that I'm expecting it be "as popular as Signal".
What I am saying, plain and simple, is "XMPP might be technically superior in every possible aspect, but this means absolutely jack shit if most if not all of my circles have at 10/20/30% people who will not use it because the client is so feature poor."