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Other countries should just stop tourists from the USA from entering - the damn place is a biohazard at this point.
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/measles-rise-again-europe-time-check-your-vaccination-status#%3A%7E%3Atext=Data+on+measles+cases+in%2Cduring+the+spring+of+2025
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/measles-rise-again-europe-time-check-your-vaccination-status#%3A%7E%3Atext=Data+on+measles+cases+in%2Cduring+the+spring+of+2025
ONLY 4 COUNTRIES IN THE EUROPEAN UNION REPORT MEETING THE TWO DOSE VACCINATION COVERAGE FOR MEASLES.
Sounds like the damn place is a biohazard at this point, and we need to stop tourists from the EU from entering other countries like Alaknar advises.
That's mainly because until very recent craziness (mainly US imported) Measles was approaching eradication and the vaccination regime was lightened because of that. Now it will have to be upped again, which is already happening.
This whataboutism works as a gotcha in a random comment, but EU reality isn't that bleak yet
It isn't whataboutism. It's facts and data. It's in response to the the ridiculous low-IQ statements from the OP claiming that the US is a biohazard now because the fascists in charge fired people at the CDC.
Read the article I linked. There are plenty of cases of measles in the European Union, along with low vaccination coverage, and they haven't fired anyone at their CDC. Should we be knee-jerk calling to restrict travel to and from the EU?
But I love how you think the EU measles and vaccination issue is a US import, instead of what it really is.
Remind me again, how many of those countries have removed their equivalents of the CDC?
Evidently, the CDC in the EU doesn't exist, if only 4 countries are properly vaccinated for measles. Get your house in order, genius.
The CDC/ECDC's job is also to monitor and alert, and it’s doing exactly that.
The US just lost that capability
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/measles-rise-again-europe-time-check-your-vaccination-status#%3A%7E%3Atext=Data+on+measles+cases+in%2Cduring+the+spring+of+2025
Oh my god, look at all the measles pouring out of European Union countries! 32,265! Alaknar, what is going on with you guys in the European Union don't you believe in vaccinations and herd immunity??!
The EU is a BIOHAZARD at this point!
Remind me again, how many of those countries have removed their equivalents of the CDC?
And by the way, Sir Genius, the CDC doesn't manufacture Measles vaccinations.
So people in America who are intelligent and understand how vaccinations work will continue to get them. But seriously, you need to worry less about the US and start focusing on your own vaccination problems in the EU, according to this, and using YOUR LOGIC, you guys are a biohazard
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/measles-rise-again-europe-time-check-your-vaccination-status#%3A%7E%3Atext=Data+on+measles+cases+in%2Cduring+the+spring+of+2025
The CDC/ECDC's job is also to monitor and alert, and it’s doing exactly that.
The US just lost that capability
With those huge numbers, do they even have the equivalent of a CDC? How useless must the EU equivalent CDC must be if it is THAT INEFFECTIVE IN PREVENTING MEASLES.
Weren't you the one teaching me about herd immunity and asymptomatic carriers? It sounds like the EU needs to be quarantined immediately
Those numbers are worse than the country you are complaining about, why aren't you screaming to quarantine the EU? Very telling.
Did you even read the article?? ONLY 4 COUNTRIES IN THE EUROPEAN UNION REPORT COVERAGE FOR BOTH VACCINATION DOSES! There goes your guys herd immunity, time to revoke your travel privileges.
One of the jobs of CDC and ECDC is to monitor and report the situation. There are countries with shitty vaccination programs (like Romania) or with strong anti-vax movements (like the US), and it's the job of organisations like CDC/ECDC to monitor the spread of viruses and advise preventative measures if things get out of control.
Without the CDC, we no longer know how viruses spread in the US which means everybody could be a carrier. THAT is the problem we're discussing - something that would have been obvious to you, had you pulled your head out of your arse, Mr Genius.
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/measles-rise-again-europe-time-check-your-vaccination-status#%3A%7E%3Atext=Data+on+measles+cases+in%2Cduring+the+spring+of+2025
Between 1 February 2024 and 31 January 2025, a total of 32 265 people were diagnosed with measles in the European Union. During this period, Romania (27 568), Italy (1 097), Germany (637), Belgium (551) and Austria (542) reported the highest number of cases across the EU/EEA.
It's time we stopped these diseased EU tourists from traveling and spreading the measles to all other countries!! Just like Alaknar suggests!!
Remind me again, how many of those countries have removed their equivalents of the CDC?
Remind me again, how ineffective is the EU CDC in preventing measles and why should we allow you biohazards to travel outside of your borders?
It's job is also to monitor and alert, and it's doing exactly that.
The US just lost that capability.
Because you were too ignorant to clock my original link or understand what I was saying, here it is again
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/measles-rise-again-europe-time-check-your-vaccination-status#%3A%7E%3Atext=Data+on+measles+cases+in%2Cduring+the+spring+of+2025
Between 1 February 2024 and 31 January 2025, a total of 32 265 people were diagnosed with measles. During this period, Romania (27 568), Italy (1 097), Germany (637), Belgium (551) and Austria (542) reported the highest number of cases across the EU/EEA.
ITS TIME WE LOCK DOWN THE EU AND PREVENT YOU FILTHY SWINE FROM TRAVELING TO OTHER COUNTRIES!!
Except I'm not an asshole like you.
P.S. can I say how embarrassing those numbers must be for you? You were so proud of your 'spotless' EU measles record...
Remind me again, how many of those countries have removed their equivalents of the CDC?
Look how petty you are, downvoting each comment I make because you can't answer it with logic or reason. How sad it must be to live in your head.
Well, buddy, what you are basically saying is, if the EU are putting up those crappy measles numbers without a CDC, I guess that means America is just becoming MORE LIKE YOU GUYS.
So what's your effin' problem mate? You mad at the US for becoming more like the EU, is that your angle now? Haha your logic is just.. so brilliant
Haha omg, look at you madly logging into other accounts to upvote your comments and downvote mine! That must be so much work for you, vs mounting an actual argument!
The EU has "a CDC" - the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control.
You should take a break, mate. Take some deep breaths, drink some tea, pull your head out of your arse, calm down.
You think that the people rooting for this are world travelers? What's really strange is I just did an Uber ride for a couple from the Netherlands that came to visit center of nowhere.
You are good people YiddishMcSquidish. Keep up the fight against ignorance. I know it ain't easy in this sea of mediocrity.
I don't care if the guy spreading measles voted D or R. I care that he's spreading measles.
Democrats still believe in science and get their family vaccinated. But nice attempt to BOTH SIDES!!! the issue, cretin.
Or maybe you just don't understand how disease and infection works? Highly likely.
You deserve better than this hive mind.
Dude is using multiple accounts to artificially get some credits (votes)
Don't respond to them and you should block them.
It was hilarious watching him do it in real time, knowing what a waste of time it was for him to have to keep logging in and out of multiple accounts.
I love it when people like that prove what little character they truly have, that they put that much wasted effort into making their petty hate against other people, countries and cultures look more popular than it is.
People who believe in truth and science should always unite together against the real evil in society: hate and ignorance
Wow, you sure have a short fuse, buddy. Shame your aim is all over the place.
Now read this and this, then come back and tell me:
Thanks for proving with your links about herd immunity and asymptomatic carriers that you have no real idea how disease and infection works. You are literally saying you think vaccinated people visiting a place with vaccinated people will create a pandemic. I guess you don't believe vaccinations really work?
You're a genius!
FFS, mate...
Vaccinated people aren't 100% immune. Vaccinated people CAN be the transfer vessel for viruses. AND not everybody CAN get vaccinated.
Like, if you took your head out of your arse for one minute to read what I'm actually writing, you'd realise that you're barking up the wrong tree.
Bruh. Did I say vaccinated people are 100% immune? Nope! But it's a beautiful world of straw you live in! Hey, when there is a measles outbreak, do you think it's going to run rampant in communities where the majority of people vaccinate their children, or is it going to run rampant in the communities where people don't vaccinate at all? Do you know why that is, because that's how fricken vaccines work. Before I get a flu vaccine, do I ask myself, GARSH, DID EVERYONE GET A FLU VACCINE I SURE HOPE SO!!
Why do you think that is, hm? Gosh, that's right, because that is what vaccinations do! For some stupid reason you wanted to make it into some political, anti-Democrats, anti-US thing to punish us all for a group of ignorant Republicans. Here's a simple solution, if you are a country worried about measles: require people traveling to your country to be vaccinated.
Do you even know the top 10 countries with measles outbreaks? Did you know Yemen leads the list? Did you know India, Pakistan, Russia, Canada and Mexico are on the list? You better start calling your government and demanding to restrict your borders! Idiot.
You're close. It's actually called: "understanding facts".
See? This is what I was talking about when I said you should pull your head out of your arse.
I never said anything remotely similar to anything you're crying about here, mate. You would understand it if you stopped to think for three seconds, but instead you're just assuming I'm standing on a different hill than you do and immediately go screaming that I'm wrong.
Again: it's not the point.
Now, I'm tired of your attitude, so here's the two points I was making, as clear as I can write them:
If you want to shout some more, please don't, I'll just ignore you. If you want to have a conversation, you can switch to that and we'll see how it goes.
Thanks for being observant, and I love that fucking user name!
Hey, you're a genius! Let's look at a list of all countries with measles outbreaks and restrict all their citizens from travel!
Oh no, there is sub-optimal measles vaccination coverage across the EU/EEA! Oh no, Yemen, India, Pakistan, the Russian Federation, Canada, Mexico!
I don't know what country you live in, Mr. Genius, but for your sake I hope it's North Korea so you can be isolated from the rest of civilization.
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/measles-rise-again-europe-time-check-your-vaccination-status#%3A%7E%3Atext=Data+on+measles+cases+in%2Cduring+the+spring+of+2025.
Mr Genius, North Korea and russia are already isolated....
And neither Yemen nor India, Pakistan or Mexico have effectively "free entry" to Europe.
As for the US - they have almost free entry AND they just killed the CDC. Which means we won't know how many cases they have and how bad the situation will be in a year or two.
Haha, holy crap you're a dim bulb!
You completely ignore my lead and link.. THE EUROPEAN UNION is experiencing a resurgence of measles and is undervaccinated. Do you realize how stupid this makes your entire argument? Nobody can be that dimwitted, can they?
NORTH KOREA wasn't on my list! I was saying I hope you lived there exactly because it is isolated!
Bruh, you lack even basic reading comprehension skills. I don't even know how you manage.
Also, I am the one calling you a genius. Can't you even come up with your own shtick?
Are you high, Mr Genius?
Did you miss the fact that everything we're talking about here is in the context of Trump closing down the CDC?
Do you know what the CDC does?
Nah, Mr Genius, you didn't call dibbs! Rookie mistake!