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Portland cyclists strip down in pouring rain to protest ICE facility and Trump troop deployment
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this post was submitted on 13 Oct 2025
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WTF are you contributing, exactly? Put up or STFU and let yourself feel a fleeting moment of hope, FFS. 🖕🏼
Because you advocate for ineffectual solutions against brutal violence. You want to know a fun fact about Gandhi? He offered medical assistance to the soldiers of the British Empire. Pacifism in the face of evil is bad enough, but browbeating people and sucking all the air out of the room with disgusting antics is complicity. Don't bother trying to hide it, because the double standards of when liberals choose to roll over and show their belly and when they hiss and scratch is pretty goddamn clear!
Are you surprised we haven't focused to that when we are stuck on debating the effectiveness of actions you know don't work? They are purely symbolic and done chiefly to make people feel better about their powerlessness. That itself is harmful, because you are lying to people about a miracle cure for fascism called doing fuck all.
I already answered the question broadly of what would even make strategic inaction like boycotting capable of pressuring organizations or political figures, it's an organization that has real leverage politically, not an NGO that plaintively asks for better institutions or malicious ones to reform themselves. An organization that can apply pressure with the legitimacy of those demands. Demands alone are not impressive, and reminding everyone over and over what a good boy who follows the rules of protests and nonviolence and boycotting you are reinforces you have zero intention of being a threat to the people euthanizing your homeless population! You think that's going to manifest in delinking from the USA? We both get all of our goods from China one way or another. What the US is ripping you apart with now particularly, like the UK, is destroying public services, bringing in pvt equity and our infamous insurance companies. You cannot boycott your hiking rent and Perestroika. Think bigger.
That's correct, the difference is being aware that you are promoting inaction by framing a boycott as resistance against fascism. I am advocating for plotting an effective course of action rather than disorganized symbolic actions that make people feel good about themselves. You are advocating for following the boilerplate protest strategy that has been used to sabotage antiwar movements for decades.
Yep that's true, I'm getting these delightful batches of mentions about how liberal nonviolent strategies are going to stick it to the fascists, which make indistinguishable pleas for me to acknowledge the effectiveness of political irrelevance. Only boycotting is a step above stripping down in front of the Nazis and making a fool of yourself. If you don't see how these events are part of the same ideological bent you should probably check on what the people involved with them are saying. What is needed are strikes, at bare minimum. If you are wondering "well how am I supposed to strike?" you've got a question that will build a whole roadmap ahead of you.
You can't articulate why this should give anyone hope, all you can do is scold them.
Sorry, what? Is that the best you could muster? Kiddo, I got news... 🤦🏼♂️
Haha, look at this little cutie on the sidelines. Why don't you try your hand at refuting it? What's wrong? No brain?
I don't often talk to trolls, and feel that no one really should. You'll find someone to take your bait eventually, though. Keep trying, you're doing great. 🫡
Yeah we actually started out with you guys "taking the bait", realizing it's too hard to argue with me, and now you're just acting smug. Not gonna work on me.
You still talking with your mouth full? Don't forget the balls while you're down there, troll. 😉
Man, I was looking for you arguing with people so I could laugh off you saying you don't talk to trolls, but you get this is what I'm talking about right? I have not had an easy time here either (won't elaborate, but it's mostly my fault and other people have had it much harder than me) and seeing people go through the motions of liberal protest knowing they won't stop it really pisses me off!
What have boycotts and bike rides ever done for people who get kicked out on the street?! Don't you see what self-aggrandizing bullshit it is?
And yet you fail to show you're not being hypocritical at any point? I've spent years being "criminally" politically active, and not just in the US, either. I've lived long enough and hard enough to have seen shit most "anarchists" have only read about.
How about you take a long look at your projection, and actually DO something instead of railing at anons online, hmm?
Satan loves you, baby.
Yeah what has your years of disorganized criminal political activity accomplished? In what way did increasing my tally of shoplifted goods under Trump or Biden before prevent them from throwing immigrants into a pit? You think you're the only who can smash a window? It doesn't do shit without organization.
A whole lotta inference and conjecture there, kiddo. Go touch some grass. 🤣🖕🏼
Okay dude I'm sure you were bombing the Israeli supply lines and not just doing drugs and fucking shit up like everyone else who didn't know what to do. I live fifteen minutes away from a hike you don't want to get into a window smashing or grass touching competition with me smdh