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im not sure i agree.
i've heard similar arguments against rap music that it's not actually music or that producers aren't musicians if they sample. people always try to diminish new forms by being elitist
I think that art can be defined as a creation that elicits an emotional response. The method of creation has little to do with it.
Whenever digital artists started becoming a thing, they were gatekept as well.
Only with all other art till now most every element is a conscious decision by the artist with intent. Most AI “artists” don’t have a clue what’s actually in their “own” images. Any emotional reaction is a byproduct of the training data (which was created largely by real artists with intent). In which cases the audience would likely understand the history and context of a piece better than the person who typed the prompt. This is nothing at all like other technical developments even though they did indeed see pushback.
Authors/artist intent matters about as much as a warm shit in a shoe when it comes to deciding what is or is not art.
The literal only thing that matters is if the viewer thinks it's art.
Art is in the eye of the beholder full stop.
The only thing author/artist intent is good for is scholastic endeavours. Valuable and useful in its own right, but the defining aspect of art it is not.
Edgy. Enjoy your fake human endeavours.
You may call it fake, but even the AI is created by humans and are therefore human endeavors, just indirectly.
That isn’t really true. Machine learning is designed to teach itself. Regardless, what does it matter if you can’t go back and learn anything interesting about the people whose work is in the training
If ai art makes you upset it's art. People who argue that ai art isn't art are having an emotional reaction thus it's art.
i experience an emotional reaction when i step in shit too
Isn't that the, all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares, sort of thing?
If you step in the shit created by the Cloaka art system, is it still not art?
by that i mean - that an emotional reaction doesn't make something art
Run all the samples through a computer, write a prompt telling it to create music in the style of (x), and keep tweaking the prompt to reiterate the result until something desirable emerges. No skill or understanding of music required, just keep hitting “generate” or whatever until something gets spit out that sounds good.
Vs
Thousands of hours of music making experience, understanding of musical styles, lyric arrangement, composition, heck…even music theory and the ability to read and write musical notes…and take all of that and make something original that, with permission of the original artist, uses modified clips of others’ tracks.
Sampling isn’t the defining difference.
It's funny because trip-hop landed in pretty much elitist, conceptual album category for snobs and luxury products' ads, with sampling being one of it's core features. Useless gateekeping and/or mischaracterising the 'art' word as something well-defined.
How is it sampling when you don’t even know where it came from, don’t know who wrote the code to find it, and the actual companies barely even know how their own product works. Apples to dinosaurs.